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Nothing I said was a lie. Its literally the entire picture of their power grid not just the last 12 months of some boom cycle. You omitted the fact that the maj

Nothing I said was a lie. Its literally the entire picture of their power grid not just the last 12 months of some boom cycle. You omitted the fact that the majority of their power comes from the most polluting fossil fuel in existence: coal. And it continues to grow coal capacity. It's not building these plants for shits and giggles these are capital intensive projects.

triceratops 1y ago
> Nothing I said was a lie. "Lying by omission" means things not said. Facts deliberately left out to mislead. > You omitted the fact that the majority of their power comes from the most polluting fossil fuel in existence: coal And you omitted the fact that majority of cumulative carbon emissions come from developed countries. Not to mention you're spreading your lies on an article that's literally about them reducing total emissions, the final refuge for people like you ("America still emits less, the climate doesn't care about pe-capita blah blah"). Seriously, re-evaluate your priors. Consider the possibility that maybe, just maybe, someone is doing something about the climate, and not even on purpose, while we just sit around. > It's not building these plants for shits and giggles Apparently they are because 80% of their energy growth doesn't come from those plants. I think they're part jobs programs, part backup plan.
adgjlsfhk1 1y ago
It's backup power. The power plants will never pay for themselves, but they enable much wider solar deployment because you can use the plants the 1 day a year when the whole country is cloudy.
- Sabinus 1y ago
  You build gas plants to be the backup for that not coal plants. Coal plants get too long to get to temperature to be a backup for renewable energy.
  - bryanlarsen 1y ago
    Not in China. China has lots of coal but has to import gas, so they build coal peakers instead of gas peakers. China builds their coal plants a little differently so they spin up faster, but mostly they just use plain old weather prediction. 4 hour weather prediction is highly accurate, so they know far enough in advance to know when to spin up the coal.
  - adgjlsfhk1 1y ago
    not if your country doesn't have natural gas
    - bgnn 1y ago
      Except when you are Germany. Then you shut down the coal plants and replace with natural gas.
  - rsynnott 1y ago
    So, if you have plentiful natural gas, then, yes, certainly, that's what you'll do; it's far, far easier and cheaper. China does not have plentiful natural gas, and is indeed building coal peaker plants. Scroll through the last 72 hours here and you can kind of see it in action: https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/CN/72h/hourly https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/CN/72h/hourly Now, clearly, there's a long way to go, and China does still have a lot of baseload coal. But it's not building much if any _new_ baseload coal. Think that's weird? France has load-following _nuclear_ plants (it more or less has to, given how much of its grid is nuclear).

triceratops 1y ago

> Nothing I said was a lie. "Lying by omission" means things not said. Facts deliberately left out to mislead. > You omitted the fact that the majority of their power comes from the most polluting fossil fuel in existence: coal And you omitted the fact that majority of cumulative carbon emissions come from developed countries. Not to mention you're spreading your lies on an article that's literally about them reducing total emissions, the final refuge for people like you ("America still emits less, the climate doesn't care about pe-capita blah blah"). Seriously, re-evaluate your priors. Consider the possibility that maybe, just maybe, someone is doing something about the climate, and not even on purpose, while we just sit around. > It's not building these plants for shits and giggles Apparently they are because 80% of their energy growth doesn't come from those plants. I think they're part jobs programs, part backup plan.

adgjlsfhk1 1y ago

It's backup power. The power plants will never pay for themselves, but they enable much wider solar deployment because you can use the plants the 1 day a year when the whole country is cloudy.

Sabinus 1y ago
You build gas plants to be the backup for that not coal plants. Coal plants get too long to get to temperature to be a backup for renewable energy.
- bryanlarsen 1y ago
  Not in China. China has lots of coal but has to import gas, so they build coal peakers instead of gas peakers. China builds their coal plants a little differently so they spin up faster, but mostly they just use plain old weather prediction. 4 hour weather prediction is highly accurate, so they know far enough in advance to know when to spin up the coal.
- adgjlsfhk1 1y ago
  not if your country doesn't have natural gas
  - bgnn 1y ago
    Except when you are Germany. Then you shut down the coal plants and replace with natural gas.
- rsynnott 1y ago
  So, if you have plentiful natural gas, then, yes, certainly, that's what you'll do; it's far, far easier and cheaper. China does not have plentiful natural gas, and is indeed building coal peaker plants. Scroll through the last 72 hours here and you can kind of see it in action: https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/CN/72h/hourly https://app.electricitymaps.com/map/zone/CN/72h/hourly Now, clearly, there's a long way to go, and China does still have a lot of baseload coal. But it's not building much if any _new_ baseload coal. Think that's weird? France has load-following _nuclear_ plants (it more or less has to, given how much of its grid is nuclear).