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> Its not about the technicalities of whether someone got deported or not, its about detaining a green card holder like Jemmy Jimenez Rosa in an illegal fashion

> Its not about the technicalities of whether someone got deported or not, its about detaining a green card holder like Jemmy Jimenez Rosa in an illegal fashion. As far as I'm aware, there is no ruling that the detention of Jemmy Jimenez Rosa was illegal. > Its not about citing evidence or giving statistics, If someone claims there is a systemic infringement of constitutional rights, evidence is the only thing that can back the claim up. > Right now, ICE can bowl up to anyone on the street wearing masks, not identify themselves and bundle them into a van and take them to an undisclosed location for weeks, if not months with zero recourse. Why could they do that right now and not 12 months ago also? Has the law changed?

Quarrelsome 1y ago
Sharareh Moghadam, Ernesto Toledo, Dale Heath, Muhammad Zahid Chaudhry, Sonny Lasquite, Luis Alberto Reyes, Fatima El-Hassan, Carlos Mendez, Anika Patel. All green card holders, all detained by ICE in 2025. Lets return to Jemmy Jimenez Rosa. The "legality" of her detention was a cannabis charge from over twenty years ago in a state that legalised cannabis in 2016. On top of that she had been officially pardoned for that offense by the state in 2024. Explain to me, how the cruelty isn't the point on that one. > If someone claims there is a systemic infringement of constitutional rights, evidence is the only thing that can back the claim up. hard disagree, this conversation is philisophical, as demonstrated by your dismissal of the case of Jemmy Jimenez Rosa. Anything I present, you will find cause to wave away. Its the "cause" that divides us here, its belief, not facts. > Why could they do that right now and not 12 months ago also? Has the law changed? Because they now have targets, really aggressive ones, ones designed to encourage them to lock people up first and ask questions a lot later. You don't have to dig too hard to see how the current administration are aggressively using ICE to enforce their policy aims. This also happened in 2016-2020. The extra $83 BILLION allocated to ICE in the "big beautiful bill" this year also demonstrates the extreme difference in how ICE is used between the different governments, I'm baffled how this point is even remotely contentious. Seriously tho, the framing of your arguments and complete blindness to the alternative perspective has me concerned. Are you just fucking with me, or are you entirely insultated from these competing perspectives?

Quarrelsome 1y ago

Sharareh Moghadam, Ernesto Toledo, Dale Heath, Muhammad Zahid Chaudhry, Sonny Lasquite, Luis Alberto Reyes, Fatima El-Hassan, Carlos Mendez, Anika Patel. All green card holders, all detained by ICE in 2025. Lets return to Jemmy Jimenez Rosa. The "legality" of her detention was a cannabis charge from over twenty years ago in a state that legalised cannabis in 2016. On top of that she had been officially pardoned for that offense by the state in 2024. Explain to me, how the cruelty isn't the point on that one. > If someone claims there is a systemic infringement of constitutional rights, evidence is the only thing that can back the claim up. hard disagree, this conversation is philisophical, as demonstrated by your dismissal of the case of Jemmy Jimenez Rosa. Anything I present, you will find cause to wave away. Its the "cause" that divides us here, its belief, not facts. > Why could they do that right now and not 12 months ago also? Has the law changed? Because they now have targets, really aggressive ones, ones designed to encourage them to lock people up first and ask questions a lot later. You don't have to dig too hard to see how the current administration are aggressively using ICE to enforce their policy aims. This also happened in 2016-2020. The extra $83 BILLION allocated to ICE in the "big beautiful bill" this year also demonstrates the extreme difference in how ICE is used between the different governments, I'm baffled how this point is even remotely contentious. Seriously tho, the framing of your arguments and complete blindness to the alternative perspective has me concerned. Are you just fucking with me, or are you entirely insultated from these competing perspectives?