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Funny how when asked for illegal deportations you fail to mention 1 more than the one I mentioned, so clearly when you said "ICE deportations are often performe

Funny how when asked for illegal deportations you fail to mention 1 more than the one I mentioned, so clearly when you said "ICE deportations are often performed illegally" you clearly did not mean "ICE deportations are often performed illegally", as then you would be able to name at least one more case. If I could not find it, and you could not find it, then I don't think it happens often.

Quarrelsome 1y ago
So you've got nothing to say about Becky or Thomas then. By all means if you're happy that America is sliding into tyranny through aggressively utilising ICE then good for you, at least someone is enjoying it. I'm happy to retract my "because ICE deportations are often performed illegally" and downgrade it to "ICE detain people illegally" (as part of the process of deporting). Shit, I'll even downgrade it to "ICE are needlessly cruel when detaining suspects". Is that ok with you? Are you content that the US is needlessly cruel when detaining suspects? That it deports people without trial based on a hell of a stretch of an interpretation of a law penned in 1798 that was designed for use in wartime? For me its the door opening to tyranny. If they can find excuses to deport people without trial and you find that reasonable, how might you feel if a future government found an excuse to deport _you_ without trial? Might you appreciate the problem with tyranny then? Is it only ok because its happening to other people? The founding fathers were inspired by Thomas Paine one of his main works is The Rights of Man and the beliefs of _natural_ law. The idea that rights are not privileges that can be taken away on a whim, they are naturally existing, inherent and everyone gets them. That's the liberty our ancestors fought for. A belief in cruelty and the stripping of rights of a particular underclass tends towards the idea of a stratified society which IMHO runs counter to the founding philosophies of the USA.

Quarrelsome 1y ago

So you've got nothing to say about Becky or Thomas then. By all means if you're happy that America is sliding into tyranny through aggressively utilising ICE then good for you, at least someone is enjoying it. I'm happy to retract my "because ICE deportations are often performed illegally" and downgrade it to "ICE detain people illegally" (as part of the process of deporting). Shit, I'll even downgrade it to "ICE are needlessly cruel when detaining suspects". Is that ok with you? Are you content that the US is needlessly cruel when detaining suspects? That it deports people without trial based on a hell of a stretch of an interpretation of a law penned in 1798 that was designed for use in wartime? For me its the door opening to tyranny. If they can find excuses to deport people without trial and you find that reasonable, how might you feel if a future government found an excuse to deport _you_ without trial? Might you appreciate the problem with tyranny then? Is it only ok because its happening to other people? The founding fathers were inspired by Thomas Paine one of his main works is The Rights of Man and the beliefs of _natural_ law. The idea that rights are not privileges that can be taken away on a whim, they are naturally existing, inherent and everyone gets them. That's the liberty our ancestors fought for. A belief in cruelty and the stripping of rights of a particular underclass tends towards the idea of a stratified society which IMHO runs counter to the founding philosophies of the USA.