I mean you're not wrong re: DiT vs DaR, I was more just pointing out the Room 641A equivalence on an extra-territorial level https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room

I mean you're not wrong re: DiT vs DaR, I was more just pointing out the Room 641A equivalence on an extra-territorial level https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A In terms of e2e chat encryption, binary blobs and 'managed' mobile platforms render it somewhat of a moot point to me. Bad actors can either be 0day'd or Social Engineered for those with advanced OpSec. To date though, the most successful network was Encrochat - an OTR-based messaging app which routed conversations through a central server based in France, which was eventually compromised by French police with a malware allowed them to read messages before they were sent and record lock screen passwords https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EncroChat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EncroChat Europol got a taste for the heady power of it - The chief of the Dutch National Police Force, Jannine van den Berg , compared the malware to "sitting at the table where criminals were chatting among themselves". Now the reality is that the equivalent of the Clipper Chip 'key escrow' is now implementable at a Firmware/Mandatory Push Update level, and probably as part of a 'secure' walled garden app-store API in future. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_chip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper_chip