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It’s a way to put political pressure on Israel, not a way to directly end the tragedy. Plus, you can recognise a state without recognizing Hamas as its legitim

It’s a way to put political pressure on Israel, not a way to directly end the tragedy. Plus, you can recognise a state without recognizing Hamas as its legitimate government

dragonwriter 1y ago
> Plus, you can recognize a state without recognizing Hamas as its legitimate government Neither the chief of state nor the head of government of the State of Palestine are members of Hamas, so, yeah, people recognizing the State of Palestine (a majority of UN members, the Arab League—of which the State of Palestine is a member state—etc.) generally do not recognize Hamas as its government.
- spwa4 1y ago
  No they are members of the "PA", formally the PLO who you may remember from such hits as "black september", "bombing the olympics", they have an offshoot killing hundreds of thousands of people in Syria. They recently announced in Arabic that they will keep paying pensions to people who kill Jews, for any reason. If those people died killing Jews, their family members. Oh and in English they denied it [1]. Obviously western press is reporting only ONE of those statements [2]. Remember them? You know, they are generally described as the Palestinian faction who wants peace. Oh, and they're billionnaires (well, the leaders are), which they weren't before getting their government positions. [1] for example: https://jewishinsider.com/2025/02/pas-abbas-payments-to-terrorists-will-continue-even-if-we-have-one-cent-left/ https://jewishinsider.com/2025/02/pas-abbas-payments-to-terr... [2] Just look at Google news: https://www.google.com/search?q=We+Will+Not+Stop+The+Payments+To+The+Prisoners+And+The+Martyrs%27+Families&client=firefox-b-d https://www.google.com/search?q=We+Will+Not+Stop+The+Payment... (note where the Reuters and Aljazeera links go)
mytailorisrich 1y ago
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- NomDePlum 1y ago
  So just let Israel continue to deliberately starve, murder, maim and torture 2 million civilians, including children, is your preferred answer?
  - mytailorisrich 1y ago
    And.. that's why submissions on this topic are flagged.
    - NomDePlum 1y ago
      Statements of fact are why topics are flagged? I have a much more detailed response in the comments below but it boils down to allowing Israel to continue what the a deliberately doing is not tolerable.
- gattilorenz 1y ago
  It does not. This came 2 years into a bloody war, and is a response to that. Even the IDF reserve has now hundreds of people protesting against the war, but obviously very much against Hamas. It’s just a statement against Israel’s politics. By your line of reasoning, any previous sign of support for Israel was also a support of the Nakba of 1948.
  - demodulation 1y ago
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  - mytailorisrich 1y ago
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    - defrost 1y ago
      A war equally started and wanted by factions within Israel's political leadership. Settler support and other policies have been deliberately edging a war with Hamas for many years. Kicking a dog daily is a good way to provoke attack that justifies killing dogs. Israel has been very good at manipulating Western "useful idiots".

It’s a way to put political pressure on Israel, not a way to directly end the tragedy. Plus, you can recognise a state without recognizing Hamas as its legitimate government

dragonwriter 1y ago

> Plus, you can recognize a state without recognizing Hamas as its legitimate government Neither the chief of state nor the head of government of the State of Palestine are members of Hamas, so, yeah, people recognizing the State of Palestine (a majority of UN members, the Arab League—of which the State of Palestine is a member state—etc.) generally do not recognize Hamas as its government.

spwa4 1y ago
No they are members of the "PA", formally the PLO who you may remember from such hits as "black september", "bombing the olympics", they have an offshoot killing hundreds of thousands of people in Syria. They recently announced in Arabic that they will keep paying pensions to people who kill Jews, for any reason. If those people died killing Jews, their family members. Oh and in English they denied it [1]. Obviously western press is reporting only ONE of those statements [2]. Remember them? You know, they are generally described as the Palestinian faction who wants peace. Oh, and they're billionnaires (well, the leaders are), which they weren't before getting their government positions. [1] for example: https://jewishinsider.com/2025/02/pas-abbas-payments-to-terrorists-will-continue-even-if-we-have-one-cent-left/ https://jewishinsider.com/2025/02/pas-abbas-payments-to-terr... [2] Just look at Google news: https://www.google.com/search?q=We+Will+Not+Stop+The+Payments+To+The+Prisoners+And+The+Martyrs%27+Families&client=firefox-b-d https://www.google.com/search?q=We+Will+Not+Stop+The+Payment... (note where the Reuters and Aljazeera links go)

mytailorisrich 1y ago

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NomDePlum 1y ago
So just let Israel continue to deliberately starve, murder, maim and torture 2 million civilians, including children, is your preferred answer?
- mytailorisrich 1y ago
  And.. that's why submissions on this topic are flagged.
  - NomDePlum 1y ago
    Statements of fact are why topics are flagged? I have a much more detailed response in the comments below but it boils down to allowing Israel to continue what the a deliberately doing is not tolerable.
gattilorenz 1y ago
It does not. This came 2 years into a bloody war, and is a response to that. Even the IDF reserve has now hundreds of people protesting against the war, but obviously very much against Hamas. It’s just a statement against Israel’s politics. By your line of reasoning, any previous sign of support for Israel was also a support of the Nakba of 1948.
- demodulation 1y ago
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- mytailorisrich 1y ago
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  - defrost 1y ago
    A war equally started and wanted by factions within Israel's political leadership. Settler support and other policies have been deliberately edging a war with Hamas for many years. Kicking a dog daily is a good way to provoke attack that justifies killing dogs. Israel has been very good at manipulating Western "useful idiots".