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I'll try to explain this in a nuanced manner, as someone who dislikes both sides of the narrative. The Democrats are sort of pro-immigration. Though for some r

I'll try to explain this in a nuanced manner, as someone who dislikes both sides of the narrative. The Democrats are sort of pro-immigration. Though for some reason, they strongly support illegal immigration, and seek to decriminalize it through so-called "sanctuary cities", rather than starting serious efforts at making permanent legal immigration liberal and approachable for most people. Illegal immigration comes with major problems. It's an avenue for organized crime, and a recipe for a major humanitarian crisis. It's a driving factor in the Opioid Epidemic. Most people are aware of this, which is part of why the Democrats lost. So now the Republicans are in charge. They are anti-immigration, and want permanent immigration to be unreachable for 99% of people. They are now running mass-deportations of illegal immigrants. The grievance which opponents have with this is that they're actively looking for illegal immigrants who are otherwise doing nothing wrong, using military-style police, in a system which doesn't allow for easy legal immigration. Most people are somewhere in the middle, but they have to pick between two extremes. A) unsecured borders which get taken advantage of by criminal gangs, or B) your local contractor Juan getting deported by military police.

NoGravitas 1y ago
> The Democrats are sort of pro-immigration. Though for some reason, they strongly support illegal immigration, and seek to decriminalize it through so-called "sanctuary cities", rather than starting serious efforts at making permanent legal immigration liberal and approachable for most people. I think the reason for this is that illegal immigration is more beneficial to Democrats' donors than broadening legal immigration. Illegal immigrants are easy for employers to exploit beyond the limits allowed by labor law, because they are unable to turn to the police or courts for protection. The Democrats are fundamentally a business-owners party, despite their usually symbolic gestures to the left, so this is typical for them: implement anti-worker policies with a veneer of human rights. The Republican policy is actually somewhat worse than your description. Besides using militarized policing to pick up illegal immigrants that are otherwise doing nothing wrong, they are also cutting out many of the systems of due process that would allow illegal immigrants access to the courts to appeal their deportation. As a result, ICE is also sweeping up refugees, asylum seekers, legal immigrants, and even citizens, without any real oversight.
swed420 1y ago
> I'll try to explain this in a nuanced manner, as someone who dislikes both sides of the narrative. Same, and I agree with what you said, but would also like to expand on it: > So now the Republicans are in charge. They are anti-immigration The republican business owners/investors who employ illegal immigrants cheaply are not anti-immigration in the instances they benefit from directly. > Most people are somewhere in the middle, but they have to pick between two extremes. They had an alternative in the 2016 and 2020 elections with Bernie "but he isn't a Democrat" Sanders, as he understood the topic better and more honestly than any other politician, but his presidential runs were sabotaged by corpo Dems and their media outlets. It's not a coincidence that voters are regularly backed into a corner with "lesser of two evils" to vote for. Evil is evil. Democracy in the US is illusory.
gruez 1y ago
>It's a driving factor in the Opioid Epidemic ???
myvoiceismypass 1y ago
> Though for some reason, they strongly support illegal immigration, and seek to decriminalize it through so-called "sanctuary cities", rather than starting serious efforts at making permanent legal immigration liberal and approachable for most people. Like DACA? > It's a driving factor in the Opioid Epidemic. Most opioids coming through the border are happening via ships at ports, not via immigrants. Not saying they don't bring drugs with them - but not remotely at the scale you describe.

NoGravitas 1y ago

> The Democrats are sort of pro-immigration. Though for some reason, they strongly support illegal immigration, and seek to decriminalize it through so-called "sanctuary cities", rather than starting serious efforts at making permanent legal immigration liberal and approachable for most people. I think the reason for this is that illegal immigration is more beneficial to Democrats' donors than broadening legal immigration. Illegal immigrants are easy for employers to exploit beyond the limits allowed by labor law, because they are unable to turn to the police or courts for protection. The Democrats are fundamentally a business-owners party, despite their usually symbolic gestures to the left, so this is typical for them: implement anti-worker policies with a veneer of human rights. The Republican policy is actually somewhat worse than your description. Besides using militarized policing to pick up illegal immigrants that are otherwise doing nothing wrong, they are also cutting out many of the systems of due process that would allow illegal immigrants access to the courts to appeal their deportation. As a result, ICE is also sweeping up refugees, asylum seekers, legal immigrants, and even citizens, without any real oversight.

swed420 1y ago

> I'll try to explain this in a nuanced manner, as someone who dislikes both sides of the narrative. Same, and I agree with what you said, but would also like to expand on it: > So now the Republicans are in charge. They are anti-immigration The republican business owners/investors who employ illegal immigrants cheaply are not anti-immigration in the instances they benefit from directly. > Most people are somewhere in the middle, but they have to pick between two extremes. They had an alternative in the 2016 and 2020 elections with Bernie "but he isn't a Democrat" Sanders, as he understood the topic better and more honestly than any other politician, but his presidential runs were sabotaged by corpo Dems and their media outlets. It's not a coincidence that voters are regularly backed into a corner with "lesser of two evils" to vote for. Evil is evil. Democracy in the US is illusory.

gruez 1y ago

>It's a driving factor in the Opioid Epidemic ???

myvoiceismypass 1y ago

> Though for some reason, they strongly support illegal immigration, and seek to decriminalize it through so-called "sanctuary cities", rather than starting serious efforts at making permanent legal immigration liberal and approachable for most people. Like DACA? > It's a driving factor in the Opioid Epidemic. Most opioids coming through the border are happening via ships at ports, not via immigrants. Not saying they don't bring drugs with them - but not remotely at the scale you describe.