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1) because ICE deportations are often performed illegally, are given target numbers to hit (i.e. the volume matters more than the correctness) and run by an adm

1) because ICE deportations are often performed illegally, are given target numbers to hit (i.e. the volume matters more than the correctness) and run by an administration that doesn't respect the courts. 2) not sure this is a question. People are predominantly upset because of ICE's methods, which are often aggressive and brutal (imprison first ask questions weeks or months later). 3) not sure this is a question either. My parents have no idea how to play super mario, so culture changes quite a lot internally within seemingly culturally homogenous communities. 4) who gives a shit about colonialism. Its just ironic when yanks talk about "muh America" when their entire culture is one of being immigrants. I believe that's the reason people bring it up. 5) People are already "forced" to live together wanting different things. Every US election is like 50/50. So idk how these questions are difficult. Also ICE go after legal migrants too, so this ain't just about "illegals". The irish guy who fucked his foot up and couldn't take his flight home went through every piece of due process possible and still got shit-canned. ICE are monstrous and oppressive.

flanked-evergl 1y ago
> 1) because ICE deportations are often performed illegally How often? Do you have some statistics? Is it 100 illegal deportations a day, or like 1 a quarter? How many citizens or people with valid visas or green cards has he deported in total? Is it like 1, or almost 1? > run by an administration that doesn't respect the courts. Can you cite some stats here? As far as I can tell Trump respects the courts more than Biden. > People are predominantly upset because of ICE's methods, which are often aggressive and brutal (imprison first ask questions weeks or months later). If the illegal aliens don't like it they are free leave. In fact I believe Trump is paying them to leave and giving them a free ticket out of the US. Not sure why they insist on staying. Literally millions of people get through the day every day without breaking the law, I'm sure they can also do it if they give it a try.
- Quarrelsome 1y ago
  Its on you to chase this up. Given how this has impacted tourists from across the globe you can find a wide array of news sources from various different nations documenting the tyranny of modern day america. That's why tourism is down, people wanna visit their friends in America, not spend weeks or months locked up without charge or due process cause some untrained ICE peon got a hard on.
  - flanked-evergl 1y ago
    I did not make any positive claim, so no, it's not on me to "chase this up". I did, however, look it up, and the only case of an unlawful deportation I could find is of domestic abuser Kilmar Abrego Garcia. And as far as I'm aware there has been 0 deportations of people who are citizens or held valid visas or green cards Tourism being down proves nothing.
    - Quarrelsome 1y ago
      Becky Burke, detained for 19 days while, she was entirely capable and willing to leave the US, yet they locked her up. There's plenty of these stories from all over the world, you're just not looking. The Irish man only known as "Thomas" (as he requested anonymity) tore a muscle in his leg and the doctor told him not to travel, so he overstayed his visa by three days, got locked up for 100 days by ICE. You're clearly not even trying or just searching infowars and then giving up. C'mon yo, I ain't here to spoonfeed.
      - flanked-evergl 1y ago
        Funny how when asked for illegal deportations you fail to mention 1 more than the one I mentioned, so clearly when you said "ICE deportations are often performed illegally" you clearly did not mean "ICE deportations are often performed illegally", as then you would be able to name at least one more case. If I could not find it, and you could not find it, then I don't think it happens often.
        Quarrelsome 1y ago
        So you've got nothing to say about Becky or Thomas then. By all means if you're happy that America is sliding into tyranny through aggressively utilising ICE then good for you, at least someone is enjoying it. I'm happy to retract my "because ICE deportations are often performed illegally" and downgrade it to "ICE detain people illegally" (as part of the process of deporting). Shit, I'll even downgrade it to "ICE are needlessly cruel when detaining suspects". Is that ok with you? Are you content that the US is needlessly cruel when detaining suspects? That it deports people without trial based on a hell of a stretch of an interpretation of a law penned in 1798 that was designed for use in wartime? For me its the door opening to tyranny. If they can find excuses to deport people without trial and you find that reasonable, how might you feel if a future government found an excuse to deport _you_ without trial? Might you appreciate the problem with tyranny then? Is it only ok because its happening to other people? The founding fathers were inspired by Thomas Paine one of his main works is The Rights of Man and the beliefs of _natural_ law. The idea that rights are not privileges that can be taken away on a whim, they are naturally existing, inherent and everyone gets them. That's the liberty our ancestors fought for. A belief in cruelty and the stripping of rights of a particular underclass tends towards the idea of a stratified society which IMHO runs counter to the founding philosophies of the USA.
throwing-up 1y ago
The majority of cases people consider legal amongst these are asylum seekers. Being given asylum is not a right, and it’s within the prerogative of a country to revoke asylum or holding a green card. The ~50/50 in a democracy is okay when people are aligned along an American identity, they just differ along what an ideal society looks like. That’s fine. I agree people should not be jailed indefinitely or treated brutally. That is uncivil and unacceptable treatment of people in general. Countries need to work together to find a solution to this.
- Quarrelsome 1y ago
  > when people are aligned along an American identity way I see it, people voting GOP these days ain't inside that venn diagram. They need to read some Thomas Paine and remember why the USA was created in the way it was. Allowing people to just get hauled off the street and locked up without charges or legal access isn't American. Or at least, its the polar opposite of what I understood America to be.
  - throwing-up 1y ago
    That’s maybe a baseless assumption on your part. I’ve seen polls indicating that most Americans support legal immigration. I support legal immigration, and asylum seekers finding refuge as well. But I understand if a country doesn’t want to take in more than it wants, that’s national sovereignty.

flanked-evergl 1y ago

> 1) because ICE deportations are often performed illegally How often? Do you have some statistics? Is it 100 illegal deportations a day, or like 1 a quarter? How many citizens or people with valid visas or green cards has he deported in total? Is it like 1, or almost 1? > run by an administration that doesn't respect the courts. Can you cite some stats here? As far as I can tell Trump respects the courts more than Biden. > People are predominantly upset because of ICE's methods, which are often aggressive and brutal (imprison first ask questions weeks or months later). If the illegal aliens don't like it they are free leave. In fact I believe Trump is paying them to leave and giving them a free ticket out of the US. Not sure why they insist on staying. Literally millions of people get through the day every day without breaking the law, I'm sure they can also do it if they give it a try.

Quarrelsome 1y ago
Its on you to chase this up. Given how this has impacted tourists from across the globe you can find a wide array of news sources from various different nations documenting the tyranny of modern day america. That's why tourism is down, people wanna visit their friends in America, not spend weeks or months locked up without charge or due process cause some untrained ICE peon got a hard on.
- flanked-evergl 1y ago
  I did not make any positive claim, so no, it's not on me to "chase this up". I did, however, look it up, and the only case of an unlawful deportation I could find is of domestic abuser Kilmar Abrego Garcia. And as far as I'm aware there has been 0 deportations of people who are citizens or held valid visas or green cards Tourism being down proves nothing.
  - Quarrelsome 1y ago
    Becky Burke, detained for 19 days while, she was entirely capable and willing to leave the US, yet they locked her up. There's plenty of these stories from all over the world, you're just not looking. The Irish man only known as "Thomas" (as he requested anonymity) tore a muscle in his leg and the doctor told him not to travel, so he overstayed his visa by three days, got locked up for 100 days by ICE. You're clearly not even trying or just searching infowars and then giving up. C'mon yo, I ain't here to spoonfeed.
    - flanked-evergl 1y ago
      Funny how when asked for illegal deportations you fail to mention 1 more than the one I mentioned, so clearly when you said "ICE deportations are often performed illegally" you clearly did not mean "ICE deportations are often performed illegally", as then you would be able to name at least one more case. If I could not find it, and you could not find it, then I don't think it happens often.
      - Quarrelsome 1y ago
        So you've got nothing to say about Becky or Thomas then. By all means if you're happy that America is sliding into tyranny through aggressively utilising ICE then good for you, at least someone is enjoying it. I'm happy to retract my "because ICE deportations are often performed illegally" and downgrade it to "ICE detain people illegally" (as part of the process of deporting). Shit, I'll even downgrade it to "ICE are needlessly cruel when detaining suspects". Is that ok with you? Are you content that the US is needlessly cruel when detaining suspects? That it deports people without trial based on a hell of a stretch of an interpretation of a law penned in 1798 that was designed for use in wartime? For me its the door opening to tyranny. If they can find excuses to deport people without trial and you find that reasonable, how might you feel if a future government found an excuse to deport _you_ without trial? Might you appreciate the problem with tyranny then? Is it only ok because its happening to other people? The founding fathers were inspired by Thomas Paine one of his main works is The Rights of Man and the beliefs of _natural_ law. The idea that rights are not privileges that can be taken away on a whim, they are naturally existing, inherent and everyone gets them. That's the liberty our ancestors fought for. A belief in cruelty and the stripping of rights of a particular underclass tends towards the idea of a stratified society which IMHO runs counter to the founding philosophies of the USA.

throwing-up 1y ago

The majority of cases people consider legal amongst these are asylum seekers. Being given asylum is not a right, and it’s within the prerogative of a country to revoke asylum or holding a green card. The ~50/50 in a democracy is okay when people are aligned along an American identity, they just differ along what an ideal society looks like. That’s fine. I agree people should not be jailed indefinitely or treated brutally. That is uncivil and unacceptable treatment of people in general. Countries need to work together to find a solution to this.

Quarrelsome 1y ago
> when people are aligned along an American identity way I see it, people voting GOP these days ain't inside that venn diagram. They need to read some Thomas Paine and remember why the USA was created in the way it was. Allowing people to just get hauled off the street and locked up without charges or legal access isn't American. Or at least, its the polar opposite of what I understood America to be.
- throwing-up 1y ago
  That’s maybe a baseless assumption on your part. I’ve seen polls indicating that most Americans support legal immigration. I support legal immigration, and asylum seekers finding refuge as well. But I understand if a country doesn’t want to take in more than it wants, that’s national sovereignty.