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> And the IBM PC – and later Microsoft Windows – went with Enter. (Actually, they first chose the ↵ arrow. I'd claim that the article draws its own wrong concl

> And the IBM PC – and later Microsoft Windows – went with Enter. (Actually, they first chose the ↵ arrow. I'd claim that the article draws its own wrong conclusions. The key was not renamed. On the IBM PC, the key got overloaded with two functions. The IBM PC keyboard was preceded by larger keyboards with the same mechanism, style and font for use with IBM's terminals. Those had two separate keys for ↵ and Enter. The ↵ symbol was the Return symbol signifying the Return function. The textual legend "Enter" signified the Enter function, for data entry. Some early Model F XT keyboards did not have stabilised keys so the touch-area had to be 1×1 with room only for ↵. From the Mode F AT (large backwards-L key) forwards however, the key did have both legends: ↵ and Enter. From there on, "Enter" is mostly just what IBM PC users called it. There are other common misconceptions about key legends. For example that ↹ would mean Tab, when it is two symbols: ⇥ for Tab and ⇤ for Back-Tab. Back-tab is on the top because it is activated with Shift. (And again, some IBM terminal keyboards had separate Tab and Back-Tab keys. Apple keyboards have only the ⇥ symbol, BTW.)

kps 1y ago
Speaking of overloading and Tab, piling on the ‘next field’ function is an endless source of pain.
- dfox 1y ago
  That is not an overloading, that is just preserving the behavior of Tab on IBM terminals.
- Sharlin 1y ago
  "Next field" is sort of what tabulation means. Moving to the next column of a tabular form.
  - kps 1y ago
    That was the origin, but for everyday typing of non-tabular work, like letters, it was used for indenting paragraphs and address and signature blocks. And it always moved to the next tab stop to the right on the line. ASCII calls it HT, ‘Horizontal Tabulation’. Later, some systems, notably IBM's, overloaded this to move to the ‘next’ field on a form, which might be to the left and down the page. So from there MS-DOS/Windows stuck us with a Tab that sometimes moves horizontally within a text field, and sometimes moves to a different field. Just like Return sometimes moves to a new line/paragraph and sometimes submits a form.
- Pxtl 1y ago
  Need an "indent" key distinct from the "tab" key.
  - 1718627440 1y ago
    Yeah, maybe something that produces a fixed size space and you press it multiple times until your preferred indent.
- dlcarrier 1y ago
  Normally that's fine, because the tab stop points to the next field. That's the whole point of tab stops― you place them at the beginning of fields on a forms. (Yeah, you also need to be on the right line, so a single key press rarely gets you there, but we were working with purely mechanical controls.) Where it goes off the rails is when we embed a user interface inside another user interface. That's not a problem specific to the tabulator, but also with all novigation functions, like home, forward, and back. I rarely use web-based email interfaces, but when I do, I accidentally send half-written email messages, because I'm trying to use a block quote or something similarly indented. It's especially bad when the next field is the 'Send' button, and pressing the spacebar sends the message.
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chuckadams 1y ago
Apple keyboards don't use the ⇥ symbol anymore, it's just labeled "tab" now (and the labels are lowercase). At least on a US keyboard, possibly it's different for others. I still remember when the ⌘ key was "open apple".
- polpo 1y ago
  Outside of the US, they have symbols: ⇥ intead of "tab", ⇪ instead of "caps lock", ⏎ instead of "return", etc.
- js2 1y ago
  That's from the Apple IIe keyboard which had "open apple" and "closed apple" straddling the spacebar: http://xahlee.info/kbd/i/Apple_IIe_keyboard_f91f4.jpg http://xahlee.info/kbd/i/Apple_IIe_keyboard_f91f4.jpg https://www.applefritter.com/files/styles/95-percent/public/2020/10/16/appleiiekeyboard.jpg?itok=sb5ALNfh https://www.applefritter.com/files/styles/95-percent/public/... The IIgs keyboard had both the "open apple" and "looped square" symbols on that key, with the "closed apple" becoming option: https://i0.wp.com/www.applerescueofdenver.com/wp-content/uploads/IIGS-kybd-2.jpg https://i0.wp.com/www.applerescueofdenver.com/wp-content/upl... The extended keyboard had both keys on each side of the spacebar: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Faelt3ra869m81.jpg https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fa... On the Mac, the keys were always officially called command and option, as far as I recall: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0653/6917/8326/products/255976401451-0.jpg?v=1676235274 https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0653/6917/8326/products/25... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_keyboards#Layout_and_features https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_keyboards#Layout_and_fea...
- pavlov 1y ago
  I still call this key “omppu” in Finnish (meaning “apple”) because that’s what everyone called it in the 1990s when it still had the “open apple” legend. And young people look at me like I’m crazy when I tell them to press “omppu Z”… But it’s a hard habit to break. I don’t even know what the official name of the key is in Finnish.
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kps 1y ago

Speaking of overloading and Tab, piling on the ‘next field’ function is an endless source of pain.

dfox 1y ago
That is not an overloading, that is just preserving the behavior of Tab on IBM terminals.
Sharlin 1y ago
"Next field" is sort of what tabulation means. Moving to the next column of a tabular form.
- kps 1y ago
  That was the origin, but for everyday typing of non-tabular work, like letters, it was used for indenting paragraphs and address and signature blocks. And it always moved to the next tab stop to the right on the line. ASCII calls it HT, ‘Horizontal Tabulation’. Later, some systems, notably IBM's, overloaded this to move to the ‘next’ field on a form, which might be to the left and down the page. So from there MS-DOS/Windows stuck us with a Tab that sometimes moves horizontally within a text field, and sometimes moves to a different field. Just like Return sometimes moves to a new line/paragraph and sometimes submits a form.
Pxtl 1y ago
Need an "indent" key distinct from the "tab" key.
- 1718627440 1y ago
  Yeah, maybe something that produces a fixed size space and you press it multiple times until your preferred indent.
dlcarrier 1y ago
Normally that's fine, because the tab stop points to the next field. That's the whole point of tab stops― you place them at the beginning of fields on a forms. (Yeah, you also need to be on the right line, so a single key press rarely gets you there, but we were working with purely mechanical controls.) Where it goes off the rails is when we embed a user interface inside another user interface. That's not a problem specific to the tabulator, but also with all novigation functions, like home, forward, and back. I rarely use web-based email interfaces, but when I do, I accidentally send half-written email messages, because I'm trying to use a block quote or something similarly indented. It's especially bad when the next field is the 'Send' button, and pressing the spacebar sends the message.

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chuckadams 1y ago

Apple keyboards don't use the ⇥ symbol anymore, it's just labeled "tab" now (and the labels are lowercase). At least on a US keyboard, possibly it's different for others. I still remember when the ⌘ key was "open apple".

polpo 1y ago
Outside of the US, they have symbols: ⇥ intead of "tab", ⇪ instead of "caps lock", ⏎ instead of "return", etc.
js2 1y ago
That's from the Apple IIe keyboard which had "open apple" and "closed apple" straddling the spacebar: http://xahlee.info/kbd/i/Apple_IIe_keyboard_f91f4.jpg http://xahlee.info/kbd/i/Apple_IIe_keyboard_f91f4.jpg https://www.applefritter.com/files/styles/95-percent/public/2020/10/16/appleiiekeyboard.jpg?itok=sb5ALNfh https://www.applefritter.com/files/styles/95-percent/public/... The IIgs keyboard had both the "open apple" and "looped square" symbols on that key, with the "closed apple" becoming option: https://i0.wp.com/www.applerescueofdenver.com/wp-content/uploads/IIGS-kybd-2.jpg https://i0.wp.com/www.applerescueofdenver.com/wp-content/upl... The extended keyboard had both keys on each side of the spacebar: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Faelt3ra869m81.jpg https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fa... On the Mac, the keys were always officially called command and option, as far as I recall: https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0653/6917/8326/products/255976401451-0.jpg?v=1676235274 https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0653/6917/8326/products/25... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_keyboards#Layout_and_features https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_keyboards#Layout_and_fea...
pavlov 1y ago
I still call this key “omppu” in Finnish (meaning “apple”) because that’s what everyone called it in the 1990s when it still had the “open apple” legend. And young people look at me like I’m crazy when I tell them to press “omppu Z”… But it’s a hard habit to break. I don’t even know what the official name of the key is in Finnish.
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