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> Genocidal intent is not hard to find Especially easy to find among Hamas, or PA, or a whole bunch of other Palestinian organisations even when it comes to th

by spwa4 1y ago

> Genocidal intent is not hard to find Especially easy to find among Hamas, or PA, or a whole bunch of other Palestinian organisations even when it comes to their own people. Palestinian organizations have committed genocide, no need to change definitions or laws, in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait, Israel and maybe Saudi Arabia too. In most of those places they have a reputation for disgusting cruelty (e.g. using snipers against school children in Lebanon) In other words: they are not the good guys.

vFunct 1y ago
So you're saying Israel is committing genocide because they are a foreign invasion force of European Jews that have the stated intent of eliminating Palestinians people from the land they're trying to take through a war they started in 1948? And that Hamas are the good guys because they have a right to kill the foreign invaders trying to steal their land? Is that the correct summary of Israel's genocidal intent?
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- bjoli 1y ago
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bjoli 1y ago
Why are you conflating Palestinian civilians with the likes of Hamas and pflp?
- idiomat9000 1y ago
  Because they are 50-50 one and the same according to eu surveys?
  - bjoli 1y ago
    What do you mean?
    - idiomat9000 1y ago
      The eu did surveys in ghaza that showed that 60% support hamas and its islamo supremacist goals. They really want to kill those jews badly, the only thing they dislike about hamas is that it is not winning.
      - bjoli 1y ago
        Support for Hamas has generally been in the mid-30s, but that is also skewed by the fact that Hamas also provides things like health care and food for poor. But why do you think it matters? Israeli support for the genocide in Gaza is more than double that. Should we destroy 80% of civilian Israeli infrastructure, starve the population and stop baby formula from getting into the country, have the worlds most moral snipers shoot Israeli children, and then set up a faux humanitarian organisation that shoots at hungry people?
- spwa4 1y ago
  So what you're saying is that boycotting is totally immoral? After all, that's reacting against Israeli civilians, which is not okay according to you. Or more to the point, why do we always judge Israel and Palestine with 2 different measures? Either Israel as a people and as a country are innocent and "it's only the government", hence boycotts are immoral. XOR people and government are both the same and boycotting every Palestinian everywhere on the planet is normal. Oh and accept that half the people just attack/boycott/refuse to serve or sell anything to all muslims, not just Palestinians, focusing especially on kids and other weak muslims, "because of the situation in Israel". Perhaps even have crowds chanting "gas all muslims" near mosques. And, of course, any kind of public success for Muslims must be brutally attacked, people, spectators, business partners, ... [1] After all, par for the course for Jews ... Not that anyone on the planet will be surprised that arguments only apply when making Jews evil, not to anyone else (more general any group we don't like, gypsies, the mentally ill, especially against mentally ill children, ...) [1] https://www.algemeiner.com/2025/09/01/pro-palestinian-protesters-splatter-israeli-singer-red-paint-try-storm-stage-concert-poland/ https://www.algemeiner.com/2025/09/01/pro-palestinian-protes...
  - bjoli 1y ago
    I never said that, and you are welcome to explain why you think i did. Coincidentally, regarding that: I think that argument fails . Israel and Palestine are not comparable. Israel is the oppressor. The Goliath. Israel is, just like apartheid south Africa was, a settler colonial project. Considering the amount of time Israel has spent thwarting democratic process in Palestine, resistance movements are not very surprising. Heck, even Hamas was helped from the start by Israel as a means to split the struggle for Palestinian independence. The divide has been very practical for Israel indeed: every time discussions have come up, the official response has been "who should we even negotiate with?". Support from Hamas has only grown because Fatah has been looked upon as weak because of their many concessions towards Israel that never went anywhere (Fatah being corrupt and incompetent has also played a role, of course) A large chunk of the world officially boycotted SA apartheid. Sadly our governments do not take their responsibility today, which means people take it into their own hands. That makes for an arbitrary and very uneven form of mob justice.

by spwa4 1y ago

vFunct 1y ago

So you're saying Israel is committing genocide because they are a foreign invasion force of European Jews that have the stated intent of eliminating Palestinians people from the land they're trying to take through a war they started in 1948? And that Hamas are the good guys because they have a right to kill the foreign invaders trying to steal their land? Is that the correct summary of Israel's genocidal intent?

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bjoli 1y ago
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bjoli 1y ago

Why are you conflating Palestinian civilians with the likes of Hamas and pflp?

idiomat9000 1y ago
Because they are 50-50 one and the same according to eu surveys?
- bjoli 1y ago
  What do you mean?
  - idiomat9000 1y ago
    The eu did surveys in ghaza that showed that 60% support hamas and its islamo supremacist goals. They really want to kill those jews badly, the only thing they dislike about hamas is that it is not winning.
    - bjoli 1y ago
      Support for Hamas has generally been in the mid-30s, but that is also skewed by the fact that Hamas also provides things like health care and food for poor. But why do you think it matters? Israeli support for the genocide in Gaza is more than double that. Should we destroy 80% of civilian Israeli infrastructure, starve the population and stop baby formula from getting into the country, have the worlds most moral snipers shoot Israeli children, and then set up a faux humanitarian organisation that shoots at hungry people?
spwa4 1y ago
So what you're saying is that boycotting is totally immoral? After all, that's reacting against Israeli civilians, which is not okay according to you. Or more to the point, why do we always judge Israel and Palestine with 2 different measures? Either Israel as a people and as a country are innocent and "it's only the government", hence boycotts are immoral. XOR people and government are both the same and boycotting every Palestinian everywhere on the planet is normal. Oh and accept that half the people just attack/boycott/refuse to serve or sell anything to all muslims, not just Palestinians, focusing especially on kids and other weak muslims, "because of the situation in Israel". Perhaps even have crowds chanting "gas all muslims" near mosques. And, of course, any kind of public success for Muslims must be brutally attacked, people, spectators, business partners, ... [1] After all, par for the course for Jews ... Not that anyone on the planet will be surprised that arguments only apply when making Jews evil, not to anyone else (more general any group we don't like, gypsies, the mentally ill, especially against mentally ill children, ...) [1] https://www.algemeiner.com/2025/09/01/pro-palestinian-protesters-splatter-israeli-singer-red-paint-try-storm-stage-concert-poland/ https://www.algemeiner.com/2025/09/01/pro-palestinian-protes...
- bjoli 1y ago
  I never said that, and you are welcome to explain why you think i did. Coincidentally, regarding that: I think that argument fails . Israel and Palestine are not comparable. Israel is the oppressor. The Goliath. Israel is, just like apartheid south Africa was, a settler colonial project. Considering the amount of time Israel has spent thwarting democratic process in Palestine, resistance movements are not very surprising. Heck, even Hamas was helped from the start by Israel as a means to split the struggle for Palestinian independence. The divide has been very practical for Israel indeed: every time discussions have come up, the official response has been "who should we even negotiate with?". Support from Hamas has only grown because Fatah has been looked upon as weak because of their many concessions towards Israel that never went anywhere (Fatah being corrupt and incompetent has also played a role, of course) A large chunk of the world officially boycotted SA apartheid. Sadly our governments do not take their responsibility today, which means people take it into their own hands. That makes for an arbitrary and very uneven form of mob justice.