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Literally at the top of the docs it says it's in Beta. I don't think you have to think too hard to figure out that seamless integration is the goal but they are

Literally at the top of the docs it says it's in Beta. I don't think you have to think too hard to figure out that seamless integration is the goal but they aren't there yet.

1dom 1y ago
That seems fair, but then it makes it all feel somewhat tautological: what sort of integration wouldn't aspire to be seamless, other than a beta integration. A different selection of words wouldn't have lead to this debate, which I think is the point being made.
- gchamonlive 1y ago
  > what sort of integration wouldn't aspire to be seamless That doesn't make sense to me. Seamlessness isn't an essential feature of any integration, just those that would lend themselves to zero-config deployments. I think the vast majority would require some form of configuration, either sharing credentials, or configuring resource limitations, devices, files and folders...
  - 1dom 1y ago
    I was using the other definition of "seamless", meaning easy, no fuss, minimal difficulty etc.
- snozolli 1y ago
  it makes it all feel somewhat tautological: what sort of integration wouldn't aspire to be seamless VMware or VirtualBox running within the VMware/Vbox window, as opposed to VMware Unity or VirtualBox Seamless mode. Those allow you to have a window from the guest VM appear on your desktop just like it's a native application running on the host. That's what seamless means in this context. It's a specific feature, not a general descriptor of your experience with the software as a whole. A different selection of words wouldn't have lead to this debate, which I think is the point being made. Seamless is a word with a specific meaning within the context of VMs.
  - 1dom 1y ago
    That's fair. I was aware of that, but I wasn't thinking of that use of the word when I read it, I thought of the other meaning of "seamless". > Seamless is a word with a specific meaning within the context of VMs. The problem is it also has another specific meaning in the context of integrations in general: it means low fuss, minimal setup, no troubleshooting. A different selection of words (windowless?) would have avoided this debate.
BrenBarn 1y ago
Then why say that it is that? It makes much more sense to me to say "The project is a beta that does X Y and Z and we hope it will eventually become this amazing seamless hassle-free thing." I don't get why projects don't distinguish future aspirations from present accomplishments.

Literally at the top of the docs it says it's in Beta. I don't think you have to think too hard to figure out that seamless integration is the goal but they aren't there yet.

1dom 1y ago

That seems fair, but then it makes it all feel somewhat tautological: what sort of integration wouldn't aspire to be seamless, other than a beta integration. A different selection of words wouldn't have lead to this debate, which I think is the point being made.

gchamonlive 1y ago
> what sort of integration wouldn't aspire to be seamless That doesn't make sense to me. Seamlessness isn't an essential feature of any integration, just those that would lend themselves to zero-config deployments. I think the vast majority would require some form of configuration, either sharing credentials, or configuring resource limitations, devices, files and folders...
- 1dom 1y ago
  I was using the other definition of "seamless", meaning easy, no fuss, minimal difficulty etc.
snozolli 1y ago
it makes it all feel somewhat tautological: what sort of integration wouldn't aspire to be seamless VMware or VirtualBox running within the VMware/Vbox window, as opposed to VMware Unity or VirtualBox Seamless mode. Those allow you to have a window from the guest VM appear on your desktop just like it's a native application running on the host. That's what seamless means in this context. It's a specific feature, not a general descriptor of your experience with the software as a whole. A different selection of words wouldn't have lead to this debate, which I think is the point being made. Seamless is a word with a specific meaning within the context of VMs.
- 1dom 1y ago
  That's fair. I was aware of that, but I wasn't thinking of that use of the word when I read it, I thought of the other meaning of "seamless". > Seamless is a word with a specific meaning within the context of VMs. The problem is it also has another specific meaning in the context of integrations in general: it means low fuss, minimal setup, no troubleshooting. A different selection of words (windowless?) would have avoided this debate.

BrenBarn 1y ago

Then why say that it is that? It makes much more sense to me to say "The project is a beta that does X Y and Z and we hope it will eventually become this amazing seamless hassle-free thing." I don't get why projects don't distinguish future aspirations from present accomplishments.