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It's open source... We don't need legislation; you are free to do whatever you want, and open source provides those freedoms. You just want it to be the way you

It's open source... We don't need legislation; you are free to do whatever you want, and open source provides those freedoms. You just want it to be the way you want it instead of it being the way that benefits the most people. This "fight" will always be lost, because the other side is 99% of the population and they want to stop scammers more than they want to enable you to publish software to a personal tracking device anonymously...

cubefox 1y ago
99% of the population doesn't fall for scam apps outside the Play Store. They don't want to stop app scammers, because they don't have any issue with them. It's only a small minority which does, and which is supposed to justify the new restrictions in Android.
- that_guy_iain 1y ago
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  - cubefox 1y ago
    The scams are also edge cases. Some people will always be stupid enough to hurt themselves with a a 99% safe system.
    - that_guy_iain 1y ago
      No, they're not. And by saying that, you're proven why the "fight" will also result in the other side winning. Ignorant, pedantic, arrogant, and entitled technical people vs the rest.
      - jamesnorden 1y ago
        99.9% of scams on Android/iOS happen by making people install remote assistance apps from... the "100% safe" app stores. So, no, you're completely wrong.
      - cubefox 1y ago
        Of course they are edge cases. How many people do you think install third-party apps on Android? Pretty sure hardly anyone does that. Also, Windows works pretty well with software from third-party sources, or would you forbid them in Windows as well? Sure, there are the occasional crypto scams which disable a hospital here and there, but this can arguably be prevented by not giving non-admins admin permissions.
        that_guy_iain 1y ago
        > Of course they are edge cases. How many people do you think install third-party apps on Android? Pretty sure hardly anyone does that. Yeah, which is why no one with any sense is going to be fighting againist this. Third-party installs on Android are largely scams. I don't think you've thought this through. > Also, Windows works pretty well with software from third-party sources, or would you forbid them in Windows as well? Windows is well known for being insecure compared to others. Apple have also worked to secure users against third-party apps. > Sure, there are the occasional crypto scams which disable a hospital here and there, but this can arguably be prevented by not giving non-admins admin permissions. Don't they use local privilege escalation attacks as part of the attack?
  - const_cast 1y ago
    Granny isn't installing unsigned binaries on her phone or rooting her phone. Don't bullshit us. The reality is we don't need to fucking remotely rootkit someone's phone to scam them. This isn't how the vast, vast majority of scams are done. Relying on client side trust is a recipe for disaster, any anyone even kind of technically minded should see that.
    - that_guy_iain 1y ago
      > Granny isn't installing unsigned binaries on her phone or rooting her phone. Don't bullshit us. Granny is when someone on the phone tells her how, because she needs to report some stuff to the FBI, IRS, etc.
      - const_cast 1y ago
        They don't need to do that to scam her. They already have her on the phone - they don't need the malicious app now and theyre not gonna do it because it's too much work for no extra gain. Just point granny to the super secure Play Store and have her download anydesk and boom, now you remote control her entire phone. And you didn't even need to hire a development team to do it.

cubefox 1y ago

99% of the population doesn't fall for scam apps outside the Play Store. They don't want to stop app scammers, because they don't have any issue with them. It's only a small minority which does, and which is supposed to justify the new restrictions in Android.

that_guy_iain 1y ago
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- cubefox 1y ago
  The scams are also edge cases. Some people will always be stupid enough to hurt themselves with a a 99% safe system.
  - that_guy_iain 1y ago
    No, they're not. And by saying that, you're proven why the "fight" will also result in the other side winning. Ignorant, pedantic, arrogant, and entitled technical people vs the rest.
    - jamesnorden 1y ago
      99.9% of scams on Android/iOS happen by making people install remote assistance apps from... the "100% safe" app stores. So, no, you're completely wrong.
    - cubefox 1y ago
      Of course they are edge cases. How many people do you think install third-party apps on Android? Pretty sure hardly anyone does that. Also, Windows works pretty well with software from third-party sources, or would you forbid them in Windows as well? Sure, there are the occasional crypto scams which disable a hospital here and there, but this can arguably be prevented by not giving non-admins admin permissions.
      - that_guy_iain 1y ago
        > Of course they are edge cases. How many people do you think install third-party apps on Android? Pretty sure hardly anyone does that. Yeah, which is why no one with any sense is going to be fighting againist this. Third-party installs on Android are largely scams. I don't think you've thought this through. > Also, Windows works pretty well with software from third-party sources, or would you forbid them in Windows as well? Windows is well known for being insecure compared to others. Apple have also worked to secure users against third-party apps. > Sure, there are the occasional crypto scams which disable a hospital here and there, but this can arguably be prevented by not giving non-admins admin permissions. Don't they use local privilege escalation attacks as part of the attack?
- const_cast 1y ago
  Granny isn't installing unsigned binaries on her phone or rooting her phone. Don't bullshit us. The reality is we don't need to fucking remotely rootkit someone's phone to scam them. This isn't how the vast, vast majority of scams are done. Relying on client side trust is a recipe for disaster, any anyone even kind of technically minded should see that.
  - that_guy_iain 1y ago
    > Granny isn't installing unsigned binaries on her phone or rooting her phone. Don't bullshit us. Granny is when someone on the phone tells her how, because she needs to report some stuff to the FBI, IRS, etc.
    - const_cast 1y ago
      They don't need to do that to scam her. They already have her on the phone - they don't need the malicious app now and theyre not gonna do it because it's too much work for no extra gain. Just point granny to the super secure Play Store and have her download anydesk and boom, now you remote control her entire phone. And you didn't even need to hire a development team to do it.