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What is meant by inclusive here? I'm having trouble following this comment other than the clarification to the name.

by llbbdd 1y ago

stephen_g 1y ago
The context is that many people (and especially public repositories from US companies) started changing the name to ‘main’ out of a misguided inclusivity push that comes from a niche political theory that says even if words aren’t slurs (which obviously should be avoided), if a word has a meaning that could possibly be connected to anything that could possibly be in any way sensitive to anybody, then we need to protect people from seeing the word. In this case, out of dozens of ways the word is used (others being like ‘masters degree’ or ones that pretty closely match Git’s usage like ‘master recording’ in music), one possible one is ‘slavemaster’, so some started to assert we have to protect people from possibly making the association.
- bjourne 1y ago
  I think the amount of whines proved the inclusivity people right. Fwiw, in git the main branch doesn't dominate the other branches and it is not an expert so it is not a master. It is main in the same way the main street in a city is main.
  - llbbdd 1y ago
    Ah okay, I remember this. I'm not sure the they were proved right that conclusively - from my neck of the woods it seemed like it invented issues where there weren't any previously. And maybe that was the point - I wasn't involved. But where I was, the terminology wasn't controversial until it was, and that seemed to be a choice (maybe by Github to follow social convention).
- 1718627440 1y ago
  Even if the term master where about that, I don't get, what's the problem. Having slaves is wrong, because these are human beings. Having other things like machines as slaves is not immoral. We also treat animals way worse then slaves and these are animate objects. And nobody objects to robot, which is just the word slave in czech. The relation between a human and a computer is very much that of a master and a slave. I provide the resources, you do what I say, including self-destruction.

What is meant by inclusive here? I'm having trouble following this comment other than the clarification to the name.

by llbbdd 1y ago

What is meant by inclusive here? I'm having trouble following this comment other than the clarification to the name.

The context is that many people (and especially public repositories from US companies) started changing the name to ‘main’ out of a misguided inclusivity push that comes from a niche political theory that says even if words aren’t slurs (which obviously should be avoided), if a word has a meaning that could possibly be connected to anything that could possibly be in any way sensitive to anybody, then we need to protect people from seeing the word. In this case, out of dozens of ways the word is used (others being like ‘masters degree’ or ones that pretty closely match Git’s usage like ‘master recording’ in music), one possible one is ‘slavemaster’, so some started to assert we have to protect people from possibly making the association.

bjourne 1y ago
I think the amount of whines proved the inclusivity people right. Fwiw, in git the main branch doesn't dominate the other branches and it is not an expert so it is not a master. It is main in the same way the main street in a city is main.
- llbbdd 1y ago
  Ah okay, I remember this. I'm not sure the they were proved right that conclusively - from my neck of the woods it seemed like it invented issues where there weren't any previously. And maybe that was the point - I wasn't involved. But where I was, the terminology wasn't controversial until it was, and that seemed to be a choice (maybe by Github to follow social convention).
1718627440 1y ago
Even if the term master where about that, I don't get, what's the problem. Having slaves is wrong, because these are human beings. Having other things like machines as slaves is not immoral. We also treat animals way worse then slaves and these are animate objects. And nobody objects to robot, which is just the word slave in czech. The relation between a human and a computer is very much that of a master and a slave. I provide the resources, you do what I say, including self-destruction.