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Yes, users will install malware sometimes. I'm OK with that as long as the rest of us don't have to suffer everything being locked down for their sake.

by ronsor 1y ago

charcircuit 1y ago
"The rest of us" is a small group of people. Willing to sacrifice the needs of majority for your own benefit is a biased take.
- ronsor 1y ago
  People need to learn how to use computers without installing malware. In almost every other field, it's normal and expected that people learn how to operate the tools properly; if they don't, then it is their fault. For some reason, technology has ended up different, and we dumb things down endlessly. I am tired of it.
  - charcircuit 1y ago
    >In almost every other field Phones are not designed to be a specialized tool of a field. They are gadgets designed for a general audience of billions of people. >For some reason, technology has ended up different Because with computers there is a lot of freedom in how things can be made to work without adding extra cost to the product. They can be designed to be user friendly.
    - debazel 1y ago
      Cars, knifes, power tools, and a million other things are also designed for a general audience of billions of people. And if you do not learn or use these responsibly you'll end up with a lot worse outcomes than getting some malware on your phone.
      - charcircuit 1y ago
        Take for example power tools. If a sawstop could be implemented to a power tool for free then all of them would offer the feature. Cars also have had a ton of safety features that have become required in order for them to be sold. Dangerous knifes also have been banned from being sold. It turns out that for other tools society didn't just accept that they were unsafe. They improved safety or legislated safety.
        ronsor 1y ago
        A sawstop doesn't spy on you and doesn't stop you from using your saw (why would you want to cut your own hand off?). Meanwhile there is a legitimate reason to want to install applications without the eye of Sauron always watching...
- fsflover 1y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45081344 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45081344

Yes, users will install malware sometimes. I'm OK with that as long as the rest of us don't have to suffer everything being locked down for their sake.

by ronsor 1y ago

Yes, users will install malware sometimes. I'm OK with that as long as the rest of us don't have to suffer everything being locked down for their sake.

charcircuit 1y ago

"The rest of us" is a small group of people. Willing to sacrifice the needs of majority for your own benefit is a biased take.

ronsor 1y ago
People need to learn how to use computers without installing malware. In almost every other field, it's normal and expected that people learn how to operate the tools properly; if they don't, then it is their fault. For some reason, technology has ended up different, and we dumb things down endlessly. I am tired of it.
- charcircuit 1y ago
  >In almost every other field Phones are not designed to be a specialized tool of a field. They are gadgets designed for a general audience of billions of people. >For some reason, technology has ended up different Because with computers there is a lot of freedom in how things can be made to work without adding extra cost to the product. They can be designed to be user friendly.
  - debazel 1y ago
    Cars, knifes, power tools, and a million other things are also designed for a general audience of billions of people. And if you do not learn or use these responsibly you'll end up with a lot worse outcomes than getting some malware on your phone.
    - charcircuit 1y ago
      Take for example power tools. If a sawstop could be implemented to a power tool for free then all of them would offer the feature. Cars also have had a ton of safety features that have become required in order for them to be sold. Dangerous knifes also have been banned from being sold. It turns out that for other tools society didn't just accept that they were unsafe. They improved safety or legislated safety.
      - ronsor 1y ago
        A sawstop doesn't spy on you and doesn't stop you from using your saw (why would you want to cut your own hand off?). Meanwhile there is a legitimate reason to want to install applications without the eye of Sauron always watching...
fsflover 1y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45081344 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45081344