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Apple's iPhone launches no longer excite

54 points by timmillwood 14y ago

timmillwood 14y ago
I agree, Apple has gone a bit lazy and a bit boring. As they have become more and more popular it's as if they have stopped trying. I haven't bothered upgrading to the latest OS X I switched to Ubuntu. I am not going to switch my iPhone 4s for the iPhone 5, but I am tempted by some of the new Android phones.
- FrojoS 14y ago
  Just curious, which Apple Machine are you running Ubuntu on? I have a late-2010 MacBook Air and also have skipped the last two OS X upgrades since they seemed to degrade quality. I'm definitely tempted to run Ubuntu instead but I assume there will be issues, like lower batterie life.
  - Ingolfr 14y ago
    Depends on the model, but yes, the battery life will suffer. Also, you may encounter problems with minor features (color profile, brightness&sound keys, remote, etc.), however you can research all that info beforehand. I am using Ubuntu 11.10 on a 5 yrs. old Macbook Pro and after some tweaking it runs just fine (I use it primarily as a desktop replacement, so battery life is not all that important to me)
  - esolyt 14y ago
    On the latest Macbook Air, battery life is about the same. Perhaps slightly worse on Linux. Ubuntu seems to perform better than OSX though: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=macosx_108dp1_ubuntu&num=1 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=macos...
- rimantas 14y ago
  Tell me, how more exciting will the new version of Ubuntu be compared to the next version of OS X? Mature products are just that—mature products.
  - ekianjo 14y ago
    I cannot really speak for OSX because I do not use it, but Ubuntu just keeps getting better and better on the SAME hardware. On every update it seems to be getting more optimized, less buggy, and introduces new features (sometimes interesting) that make you want to give it a go. The only time when I felt that Ubuntu was going backward is when they introduced Unity for the first time (it was slow as hell) but after that step they just kept getting better in every iteration. That's exciting.
    - nitrogen 14y ago
      It really depends on the hardware, I guess. For me, Ubuntu peaked around 8.10 or 9.04. It ran great on my tablet (yeah, those existed before the iPad, though it was a lot heaver, and that was perfectly fine), sound worked, etc. Every version since then has broken something, and according to benchmarks, Unity is the slowest desktop environment available for Linux. But, if Ubuntu works for you, don't let the opinion of one random guy on HN change your mind. Just consider yourself fortunate to find something you like and can use.
      - ekianjo 14y ago
        Well, I have different distros on my home computers, and I switch between Mint, OpenSuse and Ubuntu on a daily basis. But Ubuntu is really nicely put together, and while I realize Unity is definitely slower than the rest, on the hardware I run it it is still fast enough for most of what I do, so I do not mind it so much. Sorry to hear you have a hard time to get Ubuntu working well...
    - Tomek_ 14y ago
      > On every update it seems to be getting more optimized, less buggy, and introduces new features (sometimes interesting) that make you want to give it a go. Well, that doesn't counter rimantas' argument, it's just that Ubuntu still has some distance to pass before it will reach maturity.
    - agumonkey 14y ago
      OSX used to be that too. I was amazed that 10.4(IIRC) could run on first gen imac with only a ram upgrade.
cm-t 14y ago
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- sturd 14y ago
  It loads for me here, in the UK.
- blvr 14y ago
  It's back up now.
  - Sander_Marechal 14y ago
    And now down again apparently....
NameNickHN 14y ago
Are there any studies or opinion polls about how consumers are seeing the iPhone? The fact that experts and early adopters are bored with the iPhone doesn't mean that the normal customer isn't still excited about the product. The customers didn't read or hear iPhone stories on an almost daily basis. For them all the Apple products might still be those exciting, desirable gadgets that they must have. Not to mention the Apple fanboys and girls who buy every new product that Apple offers and wouldn't touch any other.
- rimantas 14y ago
  Not sure if you are asking about how non-users view iPhone. As for users: http://www.jdpower.com/content/press-release/upO8vjP/2012-u-s-wireless-smartphone-customer-satisfaction-study-and-2012-u-s-wireless-traditional-mobile-phone-satisfaction-study.htm http://www.jdpower.com/content/press-release/upO8vjP/2012-u-...
- atirip 14y ago
  I dont know about studies, but I have observed - if tech goes gaga (original iPhone) it does not sell very well, if tech calls it absolute failure (iPhone 4S) it will sell like crazy.
  - bergie 14y ago
    Tech press often gets it wrong. The Galaxy Note "phablet" was another example. The original reviews called it ridiculous, but they actually sold well. And I've seen a lot of seemingly happy users with them. http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/16/3246378/samsung-galaxy-note-sales-10-million-worldwide http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/16/3246378/samsung-galaxy-not... 10 million is of course not iPhone-big, but then again, this is just one phone in Samsung's lineup. And it is more than Nokia has sold all their Lumias, for instance.
- zachinglis 14y ago
  Yes. It's called Market Share.
Tichy 14y ago
Is this part of a buildup for a huge surprise? Make people expect something boring, then come up with something entirely new? If the rumors are true, though, the iP5 will definitely be too tiny.
lis 14y ago
This is probably why Cook said that they will "double down on secrecy". The event is really boring if you have seen all of the parts on the internet prior to the event (might be different for people not following the rumor mills).
- Tichy 14y ago
  Blaming it on the others again (copy cats, spies, and so on...)? I think Apple benefited a lot from all the rumor buildup before their presentations. What if there were no rumors at all - would people even still notice that there is a new Apple launch event? If the rumors were exciting, people wouldn't be able to contain themselves with excitement for the actual launch. I wonder if Apple should introduce an abo model, that automatically sends their new products to their fans (charging their credit cards).
  - lis 14y ago
    I am not blaming it on the others. The launch of the iPhone 5 is obviously not as interesting as the launch of the first iPhone, since they are just introducing more features, not a new device family. It's a suspense thing - if you know what they are going to show the presentation gets boring. "Back in the days" it was exciting when there was one more thing. Now you already know what it is. But again - I am not blaming anybody for this. I could just stay away from all rumor sites if I wanted to have that feeling again ;)
  - overcyn 14y ago
    > If the rumors were exciting, people wouldn't be able to contain themselves with excitement for the actual launch. Why would people be excited for the announcement of something they already know. And if you're talking about the release date of the product, people still line up outside apple stores for days ahead of time when new devices come out. > Blaming it on the others again (copy cats, spies, and so on...)? How is saying that you're "doubling down on security" blaming others? Note that Tim Cook said this in response to the question "What have you changed? What's different?"
blvr 14y ago
Are the new form factors boring? A little. Would people be going on about how boring they were if Steve Jobs were around? I doubt it. The biggest problem Apple faces right now is that people expect them to lose their magic now that Steve Jobs is gone. Then as they watch Apple confirmation bias sets in and articles like this are written. Apple is pretty well equipped to continue leading the tech sector, but this perception people have is going to be a major problem.
- georgespencer 14y ago
  I agree, but people have been saying it about the iPhone for a while. The 4S was touted as a huge disappointment in the tech press.
digitalengineer 14y ago
This entire "article" gave me a bad taste in my mouth. The LEAST this guy could do is actually wait for Apple to do their Keynote. Now he's responding to rumors and leaks. I suppose it's no fun to write an article based on things like facts. I think the Passbook alone could create a surge in new Apps. Here's an article about just that: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2012/09/04/apples-ios-6-passbook-is-a-new-game-center-for-retail-apps/ http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2012/09/04/apples-ios-6-passbo...
- moystard 14y ago
  The article does not only rely on rumors and leaks, but on previous iPhone versions. When you think about it, Apple has copied a lot of features (Notification Drawer, Interactive Lockscreen, Social Network integration, etc.) from Android, and it is true that the UI has not changed since 2007. The latter point is the reason why I switched from iOS to Android a while ago, it becomes boring to use an iPhone, no novelty, no surprise. It works, is probably more reliable and stable than Android, but it is damn boring, and surprise/excitement are what matter for me.
  - digitalengineer 14y ago
    You have a point. Me, I like things that don't get in the way of the tasks I'm trying to perform. I like it if complex things are presented on a simple and predictable way. Whenever I use my friends Android I'm always looking for how to do something. Swipe up? Down? Left or right to find some functionality. Not much consistency around the OS and Apps. I do think this will change for Android and it'll be more like Apple now that android has the new User Interface Guidelines http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/ui_guidelines/index.html http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/ui_guidelines/i...
    - moystard 14y ago
      I think your point was valid before the release of Android 4.0 (ICS). It brought proper design guidelines and a common UI pattern for applications, and the experience now looks polished compared to 2.3 and below. What I love about it is that they don't enforce the rules as does Apple, they consider that if users don't like your UI or the user experience you propose, they will simply uninstall your app and you will be the loser, not the platform. What you could blame ICS for was that the user interface was not always as smooth as it should have been, but JB has fixed the issue with Triple Buffering, and VSYNC (the famous project butter) and now Android just looks and feels great. Give it a try if you have the occasion.
adrianhoward 14y ago
The thing that confuses me about this kind of article, and I've seen a good few in the months since Jobs died, is the misconception people have on the lead times of product development. Whether the new iPhone sucks or rocks will have been mostly under Jobs leadership. He's not been dead a year yet. Lead time for product development is a tad longer than that. We've not seen the post-Jobs Apple yet.
corporalagumbo 14y ago
Linkbait. Writing an article, one year on from Jobs' death, proclaiming Apple dried up and dead, is at best ignorant, hyperbolic, impatient "journalism." He basically lauds Apple in one breath for being the slow and steady company that created the modern smartphone and tablet spheres, then hammers them for not instantly becoming a rapid-fire "see what sticks" Samsung-style company in the next! And of course, like everyone not actually in the inner sanctum at Apple, he has zero idea what Apple has planned in the long-term. Zero. But he acts like he knows everything. This is just garbage. Some people should stop complaining so much - the same qualities they praised Apple for yesterday they slam them for the next.
- nnnnni 14y ago
  Wait, it's been a whole year already? Wow, time flies.
- Slackwise 14y ago
  Did you see the bold disclaimer at the top of the article? It points out that this is a requested op-ed piece and not a normal BBC article. The author of this piece is the guy who writes the fake Steve Jobs blog "The Secret Diary of Steve Jobs". I wouldn't start condemning the BBC just yet.
  - corporalagumbo 14y ago
    I wasn't condemning the BBC, I was criticising the guy.
Toshio 14y ago
> "This is what happens when a company is too cheap to invest in research and development. Did you know that Apple spends far less on R&D than any of its rivals - a paltry 2% of revenues, versus 14% for Google and Microsoft?" Funny he should mention that. Little known fact: at microsoft R&D expenditures are really technical evangelism expenditures. Whenever you legitimately complain online that vista sucks / metro sucks and someone else calls you an idiot, that's microsoft's "R&D" money hard at work.
- huxley 14y ago
  Putting R&D as a percentage of revenue is a bit of a dodge. Apple has significantly higher revenue than Google. Apple in the quarter ending Dec 2011 brought in $46.3 billion in revenue, while Google brought in $10.6 billion. So plugging in the numbers for Apple you get $928 million in R&D for the quarter, while Google spent $1.4 billion. Less spent in R&D? Yes, but spending almost $1 billion per quarter in R&D is hardly paltry.
  - Flenser 14y ago
    And everything Apple spends R&D money on is something that may one day end up in customers hands; whereas MS R&D often never sees the light of day, or gets canned, and Google spend a lot of their R&D making custom hardware for data centers.
yread 14y ago
I miss Fake Steve Jobs
- twsted 14y ago
  I miss the real one
zachinglis 14y ago
I agree with most of these points. Good design is iteration though - you want it to be familiar to the last. However, iOS was good design from 'nothing.' 5 years on, it's boring design now - it should have had some serious reiterations. Going from 0 to iPhone 1 was a huge advancement. It would be nice to see half of that again. Each new iPhone comes out with one or two gimmicks, and an iOS update that'll run on the last version anyway. Saying that; I'll still be replacing my 4 with a 5 at this event. And I'll still continue buying Apple products. Not trying to suggest we boycott them, but I am feeling like they're not showing their innovation qualities. I do disagree with the Samsung point. I think their case was beyond fair.
maratc 14y ago
Dan Lyons' writings on Apple no longer excite. FSJ was completely hilarious. This isn't.
zakshay 14y ago
Its amazing that the BBC article has 11 links to 'share it', but nothing to actually comment on it.
- takluyver 14y ago
  That's a good thing. I've seen BBC articles with the comments turned on, and the 'discussion' makes me despair in humanity. Throw in some fanboys from both sides, and the resulting flamewar would likely burn down Broadcasting House.
Tloewald 14y ago
In related news, Dan Lyons no longer amuses.

54 points by timmillwood 14y ago

I agree, Apple has gone a bit lazy and a bit boring. As they have become more and more popular it's as if they have stopped trying. I haven't bothered upgrading to the latest OS X I switched to Ubuntu. I am not going to switch my iPhone 4s for the iPhone 5, but I am tempted by some of the new Android phones.

FrojoS 14y ago
Just curious, which Apple Machine are you running Ubuntu on? I have a late-2010 MacBook Air and also have skipped the last two OS X upgrades since they seemed to degrade quality. I'm definitely tempted to run Ubuntu instead but I assume there will be issues, like lower batterie life.
- Ingolfr 14y ago
  Depends on the model, but yes, the battery life will suffer. Also, you may encounter problems with minor features (color profile, brightness&sound keys, remote, etc.), however you can research all that info beforehand. I am using Ubuntu 11.10 on a 5 yrs. old Macbook Pro and after some tweaking it runs just fine (I use it primarily as a desktop replacement, so battery life is not all that important to me)
- esolyt 14y ago
  On the latest Macbook Air, battery life is about the same. Perhaps slightly worse on Linux. Ubuntu seems to perform better than OSX though: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=macosx_108dp1_ubuntu&num=1 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=macos...
rimantas 14y ago
Tell me, how more exciting will the new version of Ubuntu be compared to the next version of OS X? Mature products are just that—mature products.
- ekianjo 14y ago
  I cannot really speak for OSX because I do not use it, but Ubuntu just keeps getting better and better on the SAME hardware. On every update it seems to be getting more optimized, less buggy, and introduces new features (sometimes interesting) that make you want to give it a go. The only time when I felt that Ubuntu was going backward is when they introduced Unity for the first time (it was slow as hell) but after that step they just kept getting better in every iteration. That's exciting.
  - nitrogen 14y ago
    It really depends on the hardware, I guess. For me, Ubuntu peaked around 8.10 or 9.04. It ran great on my tablet (yeah, those existed before the iPad, though it was a lot heaver, and that was perfectly fine), sound worked, etc. Every version since then has broken something, and according to benchmarks, Unity is the slowest desktop environment available for Linux. But, if Ubuntu works for you, don't let the opinion of one random guy on HN change your mind. Just consider yourself fortunate to find something you like and can use.
    - ekianjo 14y ago
      Well, I have different distros on my home computers, and I switch between Mint, OpenSuse and Ubuntu on a daily basis. But Ubuntu is really nicely put together, and while I realize Unity is definitely slower than the rest, on the hardware I run it it is still fast enough for most of what I do, so I do not mind it so much. Sorry to hear you have a hard time to get Ubuntu working well...
  - Tomek_ 14y ago
    > On every update it seems to be getting more optimized, less buggy, and introduces new features (sometimes interesting) that make you want to give it a go. Well, that doesn't counter rimantas' argument, it's just that Ubuntu still has some distance to pass before it will reach maturity.
  - agumonkey 14y ago
    OSX used to be that too. I was amazed that 10.4(IIRC) could run on first gen imac with only a ram upgrade.

cm-t 14y ago

404 ?

sturd 14y ago
It loads for me here, in the UK.
blvr 14y ago
It's back up now.
- Sander_Marechal 14y ago
  And now down again apparently....

NameNickHN 14y ago

Are there any studies or opinion polls about how consumers are seeing the iPhone? The fact that experts and early adopters are bored with the iPhone doesn't mean that the normal customer isn't still excited about the product. The customers didn't read or hear iPhone stories on an almost daily basis. For them all the Apple products might still be those exciting, desirable gadgets that they must have. Not to mention the Apple fanboys and girls who buy every new product that Apple offers and wouldn't touch any other.

rimantas 14y ago
Not sure if you are asking about how non-users view iPhone. As for users: http://www.jdpower.com/content/press-release/upO8vjP/2012-u-s-wireless-smartphone-customer-satisfaction-study-and-2012-u-s-wireless-traditional-mobile-phone-satisfaction-study.htm http://www.jdpower.com/content/press-release/upO8vjP/2012-u-...
atirip 14y ago
I dont know about studies, but I have observed - if tech goes gaga (original iPhone) it does not sell very well, if tech calls it absolute failure (iPhone 4S) it will sell like crazy.
- bergie 14y ago
  Tech press often gets it wrong. The Galaxy Note "phablet" was another example. The original reviews called it ridiculous, but they actually sold well. And I've seen a lot of seemingly happy users with them. http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/16/3246378/samsung-galaxy-note-sales-10-million-worldwide http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/16/3246378/samsung-galaxy-not... 10 million is of course not iPhone-big, but then again, this is just one phone in Samsung's lineup. And it is more than Nokia has sold all their Lumias, for instance.
zachinglis 14y ago
Yes. It's called Market Share.

Tichy 14y ago

Is this part of a buildup for a huge surprise? Make people expect something boring, then come up with something entirely new? If the rumors are true, though, the iP5 will definitely be too tiny.

lis 14y ago

This is probably why Cook said that they will "double down on secrecy". The event is really boring if you have seen all of the parts on the internet prior to the event (might be different for people not following the rumor mills).

Tichy 14y ago
Blaming it on the others again (copy cats, spies, and so on...)? I think Apple benefited a lot from all the rumor buildup before their presentations. What if there were no rumors at all - would people even still notice that there is a new Apple launch event? If the rumors were exciting, people wouldn't be able to contain themselves with excitement for the actual launch. I wonder if Apple should introduce an abo model, that automatically sends their new products to their fans (charging their credit cards).
- lis 14y ago
  I am not blaming it on the others. The launch of the iPhone 5 is obviously not as interesting as the launch of the first iPhone, since they are just introducing more features, not a new device family. It's a suspense thing - if you know what they are going to show the presentation gets boring. "Back in the days" it was exciting when there was one more thing. Now you already know what it is. But again - I am not blaming anybody for this. I could just stay away from all rumor sites if I wanted to have that feeling again ;)
- overcyn 14y ago
  > If the rumors were exciting, people wouldn't be able to contain themselves with excitement for the actual launch. Why would people be excited for the announcement of something they already know. And if you're talking about the release date of the product, people still line up outside apple stores for days ahead of time when new devices come out. > Blaming it on the others again (copy cats, spies, and so on...)? How is saying that you're "doubling down on security" blaming others? Note that Tim Cook said this in response to the question "What have you changed? What's different?"

blvr 14y ago

Are the new form factors boring? A little. Would people be going on about how boring they were if Steve Jobs were around? I doubt it. The biggest problem Apple faces right now is that people expect them to lose their magic now that Steve Jobs is gone. Then as they watch Apple confirmation bias sets in and articles like this are written. Apple is pretty well equipped to continue leading the tech sector, but this perception people have is going to be a major problem.

georgespencer 14y ago
I agree, but people have been saying it about the iPhone for a while. The 4S was touted as a huge disappointment in the tech press.

digitalengineer 14y ago

This entire "article" gave me a bad taste in my mouth. The LEAST this guy could do is actually wait for Apple to do their Keynote. Now he's responding to rumors and leaks. I suppose it's no fun to write an article based on things like facts. I think the Passbook alone could create a surge in new Apps. Here's an article about just that: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2012/09/04/apples-ios-6-passbook-is-a-new-game-center-for-retail-apps/ http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2012/09/04/apples-ios-6-passbo...

moystard 14y ago
The article does not only rely on rumors and leaks, but on previous iPhone versions. When you think about it, Apple has copied a lot of features (Notification Drawer, Interactive Lockscreen, Social Network integration, etc.) from Android, and it is true that the UI has not changed since 2007. The latter point is the reason why I switched from iOS to Android a while ago, it becomes boring to use an iPhone, no novelty, no surprise. It works, is probably more reliable and stable than Android, but it is damn boring, and surprise/excitement are what matter for me.
- digitalengineer 14y ago
  You have a point. Me, I like things that don't get in the way of the tasks I'm trying to perform. I like it if complex things are presented on a simple and predictable way. Whenever I use my friends Android I'm always looking for how to do something. Swipe up? Down? Left or right to find some functionality. Not much consistency around the OS and Apps. I do think this will change for Android and it'll be more like Apple now that android has the new User Interface Guidelines http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/ui_guidelines/index.html http://developer.android.com/guide/practices/ui_guidelines/i...
  - moystard 14y ago
    I think your point was valid before the release of Android 4.0 (ICS). It brought proper design guidelines and a common UI pattern for applications, and the experience now looks polished compared to 2.3 and below. What I love about it is that they don't enforce the rules as does Apple, they consider that if users don't like your UI or the user experience you propose, they will simply uninstall your app and you will be the loser, not the platform. What you could blame ICS for was that the user interface was not always as smooth as it should have been, but JB has fixed the issue with Triple Buffering, and VSYNC (the famous project butter) and now Android just looks and feels great. Give it a try if you have the occasion.

adrianhoward 14y ago

The thing that confuses me about this kind of article, and I've seen a good few in the months since Jobs died, is the misconception people have on the lead times of product development. Whether the new iPhone sucks or rocks will have been mostly under Jobs leadership. He's not been dead a year yet. Lead time for product development is a tad longer than that. We've not seen the post-Jobs Apple yet.

corporalagumbo 14y ago

Linkbait. Writing an article, one year on from Jobs' death, proclaiming Apple dried up and dead, is at best ignorant, hyperbolic, impatient "journalism." He basically lauds Apple in one breath for being the slow and steady company that created the modern smartphone and tablet spheres, then hammers them for not instantly becoming a rapid-fire "see what sticks" Samsung-style company in the next! And of course, like everyone not actually in the inner sanctum at Apple, he has zero idea what Apple has planned in the long-term. Zero. But he acts like he knows everything. This is just garbage. Some people should stop complaining so much - the same qualities they praised Apple for yesterday they slam them for the next.

nnnnni 14y ago
Wait, it's been a whole year already? Wow, time flies.
Slackwise 14y ago
Did you see the bold disclaimer at the top of the article? It points out that this is a requested op-ed piece and not a normal BBC article. The author of this piece is the guy who writes the fake Steve Jobs blog "The Secret Diary of Steve Jobs". I wouldn't start condemning the BBC just yet.
- corporalagumbo 14y ago
  I wasn't condemning the BBC, I was criticising the guy.

Toshio 14y ago

> "This is what happens when a company is too cheap to invest in research and development. Did you know that Apple spends far less on R&D than any of its rivals - a paltry 2% of revenues, versus 14% for Google and Microsoft?" Funny he should mention that. Little known fact: at microsoft R&D expenditures are really technical evangelism expenditures. Whenever you legitimately complain online that vista sucks / metro sucks and someone else calls you an idiot, that's microsoft's "R&D" money hard at work.

huxley 14y ago
Putting R&D as a percentage of revenue is a bit of a dodge. Apple has significantly higher revenue than Google. Apple in the quarter ending Dec 2011 brought in $46.3 billion in revenue, while Google brought in $10.6 billion. So plugging in the numbers for Apple you get $928 million in R&D for the quarter, while Google spent $1.4 billion. Less spent in R&D? Yes, but spending almost $1 billion per quarter in R&D is hardly paltry.
- Flenser 14y ago
  And everything Apple spends R&D money on is something that may one day end up in customers hands; whereas MS R&D often never sees the light of day, or gets canned, and Google spend a lot of their R&D making custom hardware for data centers.

yread 14y ago

I miss Fake Steve Jobs

twsted 14y ago
I miss the real one

zachinglis 14y ago

I agree with most of these points. Good design is iteration though - you want it to be familiar to the last. However, iOS was good design from 'nothing.' 5 years on, it's boring design now - it should have had some serious reiterations. Going from 0 to iPhone 1 was a huge advancement. It would be nice to see half of that again. Each new iPhone comes out with one or two gimmicks, and an iOS update that'll run on the last version anyway. Saying that; I'll still be replacing my 4 with a 5 at this event. And I'll still continue buying Apple products. Not trying to suggest we boycott them, but I am feeling like they're not showing their innovation qualities. I do disagree with the Samsung point. I think their case was beyond fair.

maratc 14y ago

Dan Lyons' writings on Apple no longer excite. FSJ was completely hilarious. This isn't.

zakshay 14y ago

Its amazing that the BBC article has 11 links to 'share it', but nothing to actually comment on it.

takluyver 14y ago
That's a good thing. I've seen BBC articles with the comments turned on, and the 'discussion' makes me despair in humanity. Throw in some fanboys from both sides, and the resulting flamewar would likely burn down Broadcasting House.

Tloewald 14y ago

In related news, Dan Lyons no longer amuses.