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Nothing prevents you from maintaining nommu as a fork. The reality of things is, despite your feelings, people have to work on the kernel, daily, and there come

Nothing prevents you from maintaining nommu as a fork. The reality of things is, despite your feelings, people have to work on the kernel, daily, and there comes a point where your tinkering needs do not need to be supported in main. You can keep using old versions of the kernel, too. Linux remains open source, extendable, and someone would most likely maintain these ripped out modules. Just not at the expense of the singular maintainer of the subsystem inside the kernel.

stephen_g 1y ago
> there comes a point where your tinkering needs do not need to be supported in main. Linux's master branch is actually called master. Not that it really matters either way (hopefully most people have realised by now that it was never really 'non-inclusive' to normal people) but pays to be accurate.
- llbbdd 1y ago
  What is meant by inclusive here? I'm having trouble following this comment other than the clarification to the name.
  - stephen_g 1y ago
    The context is that many people (and especially public repositories from US companies) started changing the name to ‘main’ out of a misguided inclusivity push that comes from a niche political theory that says even if words aren’t slurs (which obviously should be avoided), if a word has a meaning that could possibly be connected to anything that could possibly be in any way sensitive to anybody, then we need to protect people from seeing the word. In this case, out of dozens of ways the word is used (others being like ‘masters degree’ or ones that pretty closely match Git’s usage like ‘master recording’ in music), one possible one is ‘slavemaster’, so some started to assert we have to protect people from possibly making the association.
    - bjourne 1y ago
      I think the amount of whines proved the inclusivity people right. Fwiw, in git the main branch doesn't dominate the other branches and it is not an expert so it is not a master. It is main in the same way the main street in a city is main.
      - llbbdd 1y ago
        Ah okay, I remember this. I'm not sure the they were proved right that conclusively - from my neck of the woods it seemed like it invented issues where there weren't any previously. And maybe that was the point - I wasn't involved. But where I was, the terminology wasn't controversial until it was, and that seemed to be a choice (maybe by Github to follow social convention).
    - 1718627440 1y ago
      Even if the term master where about that, I don't get, what's the problem. Having slaves is wrong, because these are human beings. Having other things like machines as slaves is not immoral. We also treat animals way worse then slaves and these are animate objects. And nobody objects to robot, which is just the word slave in czech. The relation between a human and a computer is very much that of a master and a slave. I provide the resources, you do what I say, including self-destruction.
- saagarjha 1y ago
  This seems like a dumb thing to be pedantic about, actually
- ohdeargodno 1y ago
  I wish there were strong enough words to tell you about how few shits I give about the name of a branch. > Not that it really matters either way But you still decided to make it your personal battle to make a comment remind people that the evil inclusive people did a no no by forcing you to rename your branches from master to main, yes. >pays to be accurate. No, it doesn't. Source: you knew exactly what I was talking about when I said main. You also would have known what I was talking about had I said trunk, master, develop or latest.

stephen_g 1y ago

> there comes a point where your tinkering needs do not need to be supported in main. Linux's master branch is actually called master. Not that it really matters either way (hopefully most people have realised by now that it was never really 'non-inclusive' to normal people) but pays to be accurate.

llbbdd 1y ago
What is meant by inclusive here? I'm having trouble following this comment other than the clarification to the name.
- stephen_g 1y ago
  The context is that many people (and especially public repositories from US companies) started changing the name to ‘main’ out of a misguided inclusivity push that comes from a niche political theory that says even if words aren’t slurs (which obviously should be avoided), if a word has a meaning that could possibly be connected to anything that could possibly be in any way sensitive to anybody, then we need to protect people from seeing the word. In this case, out of dozens of ways the word is used (others being like ‘masters degree’ or ones that pretty closely match Git’s usage like ‘master recording’ in music), one possible one is ‘slavemaster’, so some started to assert we have to protect people from possibly making the association.
  - bjourne 1y ago
    I think the amount of whines proved the inclusivity people right. Fwiw, in git the main branch doesn't dominate the other branches and it is not an expert so it is not a master. It is main in the same way the main street in a city is main.
    - llbbdd 1y ago
      Ah okay, I remember this. I'm not sure the they were proved right that conclusively - from my neck of the woods it seemed like it invented issues where there weren't any previously. And maybe that was the point - I wasn't involved. But where I was, the terminology wasn't controversial until it was, and that seemed to be a choice (maybe by Github to follow social convention).
  - 1718627440 1y ago
    Even if the term master where about that, I don't get, what's the problem. Having slaves is wrong, because these are human beings. Having other things like machines as slaves is not immoral. We also treat animals way worse then slaves and these are animate objects. And nobody objects to robot, which is just the word slave in czech. The relation between a human and a computer is very much that of a master and a slave. I provide the resources, you do what I say, including self-destruction.
saagarjha 1y ago
This seems like a dumb thing to be pedantic about, actually
ohdeargodno 1y ago
I wish there were strong enough words to tell you about how few shits I give about the name of a branch. > Not that it really matters either way But you still decided to make it your personal battle to make a comment remind people that the evil inclusive people did a no no by forcing you to rename your branches from master to main, yes. >pays to be accurate. No, it doesn't. Source: you knew exactly what I was talking about when I said main. You also would have known what I was talking about had I said trunk, master, develop or latest.