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Theres something missing from this all. (12:54:09 PM) vile_rat: assuming we don't die tonight. We saw one of our 'police' that guard the compound taking pictur

by jahmed 14y ago

Theres something missing from this all. (12:54:09 PM) vile_rat: assuming we don't die tonight. We saw one of our 'police' that guard the compound taking pictures This is Sept 11, 2012. This (http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/09/20129112108737726.html http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/09/20129112108...) article updated at 7:02(GMT?) reports the death. The video in that story was uploaded to youtube by Al Jazzera 9 hours ago which would be midnight Bengazhi time (EET) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcm_Ss0ExZg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcm_Ss0ExZg. So at some point roughly after 00:00 EET when the Al Jazeera footage was shot, where we see what is described as 1500 protesters and thousands of riot police, and 7:00 EET an American IT worker is shot and killed in a consulate. I don't see who gains from staging protests on a sensitive day and letting an American get killed. Of all the people who would be at a consulate the IT guy happens to be the unlucky one. I don't think this was a 'normal' protest.

Steko 14y ago
"I don't see who gains from staging protests on a sensitive day" Did you miss that the protests were a reaction to an incendiary anti-Islamic video?
- HistoryInAction 14y ago
  Yet that video was released in July: http://www.newsy.com/videos/american-killed-in-libya-amid-protests-over-anti-islam-movie http://www.newsy.com/videos/american-killed-in-libya-amid-pr...
- jahmed 14y ago
  Yeah so the NYT says an Israeli-American named Sam Bacile raises funds and directs an anti-Islam movie and posts the trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmodVun16Q4&feature=youtu.be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmodVun16Q4&feature=youtu...) on July 2. The first Arabic comments are from 2 months ago. 11k views and 2 months later protests erupt at the American embassy in Cairo and consulate in Benghazi. Edit: Video has been pulled from youtube but the account(http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4DjVszAn4GAyzgsjtkJONg http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4DjVszAn4GAyzgsjtkJONg) it was uploaded by links(ed) to this google+ account (https://plus.google.com/u/0/100558867757140477111/posts https://plus.google.com/u/0/100558867757140477111/posts) of Sam Bacile who has one person in his circle. This man (https://plus.google.com/u/0/110003734376972911289/posts https://plus.google.com/u/0/110003734376972911289/posts) Mohamed Hamed El-Sherbini according to his g+ works for something called the Arab Parliamentary newspaper and attended Mansoura University.
  - RyanMcGreal 14y ago
    Wow. That trailer is breathtakingly bad.
- jerf 14y ago
  If I organize a riot involving thousands of people that I manage to incite into killing people, and I claim my reason is that I heard that some guy is Glasgow made fun of the American soccer team over beer... that guy is Glasgow is not the real reason. It doesn't even qualify as a metaphorical fig leaf, it's just a lie. When the excuse is this tiny, you shouldn't even give it the time of day.
- lhnn 14y ago
  I don't know if you're defending the actions of these people (I can hardly imagine), but I don't understand why people still defend Islamic protests at ALL. Back when that Dutch cartoonist drew an offensive picture of Mohammed, Christians throughout the Middle East and Africa were being killed, churches burned. The entire region is laced with (or at least completely tolerant of) hateful, backwards savages. These "you made fun of me" protests are a way to stir up hatred and Anti-Western sentiment, and maybe get to kill a few non-believers.
  - andrewflnr 14y ago
    I'm pretty sure he's not trying to defend them, just addressing the "this is not normal" part of the GGP.
  - Evbn 14y ago
    FWIW, the West has similar savages, but they operate through a centralized military organization.
- meej 14y ago
  The antiterrorist think-tank Quilliam says this is not true. The attack was planned and was not related to the protests. http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=f0e249d1af58faacc207ffaea&id=2a12bff02c&e=4e2f19d719 http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=f0e249d1af58faacc207ffae...
guelo 14y ago
I'm having a hard time following the point you are making, especially since the Al Jazzera footage is from Cairo and Vile Rat died in Bengazhi.
- jahmed 14y ago
  You are absolutely right. I just think this was carefully scheduled and coordinated to make sure people saw it.
  - guelo 14y ago
    There does seem to be clues of coordination, and of Queda involvement, on 9/11.
    - gnu8 14y ago
      It doesn't require Al Queda to come up with the idea to do bad things to the United States on the anniversary of doing bad things to the United States. Anyone who hates America would naturally choose to act on 11/9.
      - Evbn 14y ago
        I would choose a day likely to have non heightened security.
ErrantX 14y ago
Of all the people who would be at a consulate the IT guy happens to be the unlucky one. Reports now say 4 people died; one of them the US Ambassador to Libya.
jahmed 14y ago
More info: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/09/20129112108737726.html http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/09/20129112108... Ambassador to Libya died of smoke inhalation during the attack, along with two US security personnel who were accompanying him, security sources told Al Jazeera. Another consulate employee, whose nationality could not immediately be confirmed, was also killed.
outworlder 14y ago
I didn't see it stated anywhere, but it could be ingame. Chats in EVE are usually timestamped in EVE Time, which is the GMT timezone.

by jahmed 14y ago

Steko 14y ago

"I don't see who gains from staging protests on a sensitive day" Did you miss that the protests were a reaction to an incendiary anti-Islamic video?

HistoryInAction 14y ago
Yet that video was released in July: http://www.newsy.com/videos/american-killed-in-libya-amid-protests-over-anti-islam-movie http://www.newsy.com/videos/american-killed-in-libya-amid-pr...
jahmed 14y ago
Yeah so the NYT says an Israeli-American named Sam Bacile raises funds and directs an anti-Islam movie and posts the trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmodVun16Q4&feature=youtu.be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmodVun16Q4&feature=youtu...) on July 2. The first Arabic comments are from 2 months ago. 11k views and 2 months later protests erupt at the American embassy in Cairo and consulate in Benghazi. Edit: Video has been pulled from youtube but the account(http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4DjVszAn4GAyzgsjtkJONg http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4DjVszAn4GAyzgsjtkJONg) it was uploaded by links(ed) to this google+ account (https://plus.google.com/u/0/100558867757140477111/posts https://plus.google.com/u/0/100558867757140477111/posts) of Sam Bacile who has one person in his circle. This man (https://plus.google.com/u/0/110003734376972911289/posts https://plus.google.com/u/0/110003734376972911289/posts) Mohamed Hamed El-Sherbini according to his g+ works for something called the Arab Parliamentary newspaper and attended Mansoura University.
- RyanMcGreal 14y ago
  Wow. That trailer is breathtakingly bad.
jerf 14y ago
If I organize a riot involving thousands of people that I manage to incite into killing people, and I claim my reason is that I heard that some guy is Glasgow made fun of the American soccer team over beer... that guy is Glasgow is not the real reason. It doesn't even qualify as a metaphorical fig leaf, it's just a lie. When the excuse is this tiny, you shouldn't even give it the time of day.
lhnn 14y ago
I don't know if you're defending the actions of these people (I can hardly imagine), but I don't understand why people still defend Islamic protests at ALL. Back when that Dutch cartoonist drew an offensive picture of Mohammed, Christians throughout the Middle East and Africa were being killed, churches burned. The entire region is laced with (or at least completely tolerant of) hateful, backwards savages. These "you made fun of me" protests are a way to stir up hatred and Anti-Western sentiment, and maybe get to kill a few non-believers.
- andrewflnr 14y ago
  I'm pretty sure he's not trying to defend them, just addressing the "this is not normal" part of the GGP.
- Evbn 14y ago
  FWIW, the West has similar savages, but they operate through a centralized military organization.
meej 14y ago
The antiterrorist think-tank Quilliam says this is not true. The attack was planned and was not related to the protests. http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=f0e249d1af58faacc207ffaea&id=2a12bff02c&e=4e2f19d719 http://us2.campaign-archive2.com/?u=f0e249d1af58faacc207ffae...

guelo 14y ago

I'm having a hard time following the point you are making, especially since the Al Jazzera footage is from Cairo and Vile Rat died in Bengazhi.

jahmed 14y ago
You are absolutely right. I just think this was carefully scheduled and coordinated to make sure people saw it.
- guelo 14y ago
  There does seem to be clues of coordination, and of Queda involvement, on 9/11.
  - gnu8 14y ago
    It doesn't require Al Queda to come up with the idea to do bad things to the United States on the anniversary of doing bad things to the United States. Anyone who hates America would naturally choose to act on 11/9.
    - Evbn 14y ago
      I would choose a day likely to have non heightened security.

ErrantX 14y ago

Of all the people who would be at a consulate the IT guy happens to be the unlucky one. Reports now say 4 people died; one of them the US Ambassador to Libya.

jahmed 14y ago

More info: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/09/20129112108737726.html http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/09/20129112108... Ambassador to Libya died of smoke inhalation during the attack, along with two US security personnel who were accompanying him, security sources told Al Jazeera. Another consulate employee, whose nationality could not immediately be confirmed, was also killed.

outworlder 14y ago

I didn't see it stated anywhere, but it could be ingame. Chats in EVE are usually timestamped in EVE Time, which is the GMT timezone.