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One of Britain's largest stocks of second-hand books ever amassed
- yourapostasy 1y agoI love libraries of all kinds, and wish LLM training development will drive even greater preservation and digitization efforts. I sure hope someone preserves this collection, installs a dry fire extinguisher system, and digitizes into the Internet Archive what doesn’t already exist online.
- hopelite 1y agoIt would be something a whole organization and public campaign would need to be built around. We have also already traversed, unwittingly, into a post-ownership world and the IP issue would need to be dealt with since it was not dealt with to this point and the thieves have gotten away with robbery by default. Books were one of the first steps into a world where you do not own anything you buy, you merely possess it until the IP owner decides to revoke their authority for everything you think you own. I recall the ironic incident in around 2013 where Amazon without permission simply deleted people’s copies of a purchased book from their Kindles due to some IP dispute with a publisher, without even providing notice. The book … 1984, by George Orwell. It is why in understand if people “pirate” or maybe better put, seize their rights. Something you cannot share, trade, exchange, gift, pass down, sell, or often even move… is not something you own.
- exe34 1y agoall my Amazon books were dedrm'ed and my kindle does not connect to the WiFi. I've stopped buying from Amazon since they removed the transfer via usb option.
- lotsoweiners 1y agoWhat was different about transfer via usb vs “send to Kindle” ? I’ve always used the latter.
- lazyasciiart 1y agoProbably the requirement to be online.
- exe34 1y agoyeah and also I ran dedrm before putting anything on the Kindle.
- sherr 1y agoI can imagine the smell that greets you walking round this amazing collection of books. I'd love to browse. I have a Kindle but it has had a flat battery for years now because I just love paper books too much.
- phendrenad2 1y agoI hope these books make their way to good homes! There are so many books that are out-of-print and, because they aren't widely known, and the author has passed away, they're very unlikely to ever be republished. Those books will become more and more rare with each passing year. This "great middle" section of books is slowly going missing.
- aurizon 1y agoThe University of Toronto has a free store and they place items departments discard into 2 areas. 1 area can be grabbed by other departments for a month - then it goes into a public swap shop area for Wednesday AM. Lots of assorted stuff but they place cubic meter boxes of all manner of books, old journals, reference books etc. In the same vein, I have seen dozens of old book stores close over the past 20 years. Truly rare books and incunabula https://fisher.library.utoronto.ca/collections/incunabula https://fisher.library.utoronto.ca/collections/incunabula I think Ebay was the beginning of the end. Most books in the past ~100 years were printed in substantial press runs, and many had reprints. That meant they were not globally rare, just widely scattered. Ebay revealed their vast numbers and a level marketplace emerged. Books dealers snagged the truly rare and the vast bulk went unwanted and unread. As a Northern claim staker and mine engineer, I often passed by the Highway Bookstore, in Cobalt Ontario https://www.highwaybooks.ca/ https://www.highwaybooks.ca/
- bombcar 1y agoBasically anything with an ISBN is catalogued, known, and sold. If you want to find rare books of any value anymore, you need to know your pre-ISBN titles.
- metalman 1y agoover 1 mile of shelf, he wants 1.5mill£ for the whole estate, and he will stay on
- jll29 1y ago10 GBP/book, perpetual storage space included. Sounds a good price, no? His worst fear resonates with me: if the collection is separated, all his collecting was basically a waste of time and effort. I share similar thoughts: how to avoid that the collection gets ripped apart upon my departure? How to ascertain continuity (if now growth, at least at the status quo level)? Where should bet books be located so as to maximize utility? And, worst of all, how to stop the decay in people's willingness to read books for curiosity's and knowledge's sake? Move the books somewhere else where knowlege is not taken for granted (e.g. Africa)?
- frainfreeze 1y agoAs someone who often sees personal collections scathered around in the dust of flea markets, I would say there is nothing you can actually do to be safe. Even if your kids preserve it, their kids will _pay_ local gypsies to take it all away so they can renovate the houses and flats. From there it's as good as trash.
- bruce511 1y agoAt some level all collecting is a "waste" of time and effort. The joy of collecting is in the hunt, not the meal. We collect because collecting is a hobby - it passes the time and provides enjoyment. 99% of collections have 0 intrinsic value. (Jay Leno's Garage aside.) I collect Sci Fi books pre 1970. Their objective value is close to zero. Their literary value is zero. When I go they'll go to the recycling. That's fine. It was my hobby, not my sins. Inheriting collections is not collecting. It's just stuff yo get rid of. If there's anything valuable in your collection, sell it yourself before you die. Or put it in the "specials case". No one will sift your collection for wheat - it'll just all be thrown out or given away. Indeed that's a good outcome- some other collector will find a valuable tome in the charity shop for a few pennies.
- andrewstuart 1y agoI wonder if an AI company will quietly buy and scan.
- petesergeant 1y agoScanning non-destructively is much more expensive than scanning destructively, and arguably first editions of books and obscure and old books provide inferior training material than to newer versions. Easier to just bulk-buy 2nd hand books by weight.
- Cthulhu_ 1y agoGoogle has been scanning books for just over two decades now, and likely has used their scans to train their AI. I wonder what percentage of this collection hasn't been digitized elsewhere yet.
- dang 1y agoThose photos!
- pessimizer 1y agoThis can't actually be one of the largest stocks of second-hand books. That's just 50 of me, and I only have a couple walls full. He's got 25 rooms, which very much sounds like 50 of me. I'm poor, I'm not special. I wish I could get rid of them all; when I want to read one again I just pirate a scan. I've literally thought about tightly wrapping them in plastic and burying them in a concrete vault. After the original texts of all "legacy" writing have been deemed too provocative, somebody could discover them and dig them up, show their friends how they've been changed since everything went digital, and shortly afterwards get arrested as a terrorist pornographer.
- gerdesj 1y ago"This can't actually be one of the largest stocks of second-hand books" Any library can be described as a second hand store of books and it seems this one is pretty large! "I wish I could get rid of them all" You could donate them to the really weird collectors - see OP! I used to have quite a large collection of CDs (and tapes but they are mostly buggered). It took quite a while to rip them to FLAC but they now take up quite a small amount of disc compared to photos and the rest. A terabyte is not particularly large these days. "terrorist pornographer" - that is quite a job title.
- fancyfredbot 1y agoBeing a collector is an affliction. A huge house given over to his collection while he relegates himself to the groundskeepers cottage. A lifetime acquiring money to grow the collection. I hope selling it gives him some peace.
- akk0 1y agoWhat a strange read on the situation. The man combined his hobby with his profession and is now retiring a millionaire. Best I can tell the guy must feel like he's had a rewarding, satisfying life so far.
- pavlov 1y agoThe article mentions he spends six months per year in the Philippines. Doesn't sound like someone oppressed and impoverished by his book obsession.
- fancyfredbot 1y agoYes, it's entirely possible he may loved every minute! I don't know if the fact he's financially successful affects my read though. It's certainly obvious he had money but unfortunately I don't think the money precludes an unhealthy obsession. Infact it might make it worse.
- Freak_NL 1y agoUnhealthy in what way? The article mentions that he is (or was) an active seller as well as a buyer. His lifestyle doesn't seem particularly unhealthy either.
- fancyfredbot 1y agoMy impression was that buying and storing books had become a compulsion. The article mentions that "he sold books primarily so that he could acquire more for himself". It also covers how he "deployed every little sliver of real estate" to 1.5 miles of shelving. To me this sounds like an obsession. It's possible that indulging the obsession made him happy but my understanding is that this is unusual. It is perfectly possible I got the wrong impression here. I don't know him. All I can be sure about is that this was the impression I got reading the article.
- omosubi 1y agoThis is what I come to hacker news for - great post
- jacquesm 1y agoI just helped clean up the estate of an uncle of mine that died. He'd collected an absolutely massive amount of books during his lifetime. Besides that he played the violin and had collected an equally impressive amount of music books. I managed to save some of the rare works but I could find absolutely no takers for the bulk of the books, at any price or even for free. That generation is leaving behind an enormous amount of paper and it is mostly going to waste. Very frustrating, if I had had the space I would have been happy to take all of it. I would have read some and I would have tried to find a new home for the remainder but that takes time and the housing company only gave us two weeks to vacate the place, which was much too little time even for proper cataloging. Fortunately he had already organized things to the point that it was obvious which ones were the precious ones. And the violin got a good home. The guy lived like a monk, the whole flat was just paper and shelves, and a tiny spot for a bed. You could have made the pictures in this article in his flat as well (I didn't make any, it was too sad of an occasion). My own books I keep giving away on the promise that whoever gets the book will read it and pass it on. That way they stay alive for a little bit longer. Some books I keep buying again just so I can have the pleasure of giving them away once more. Douglas Adams' hhgttg is probably the record holder.
- WTFnsfw 1y ago"I could find absolutely no takers for the bulk of the books" : archive.org ...
- contingencies 1y agoHere in Australia one of the charities runs huge book fairs every few months where vast amounts of literature are loosely organized in to subject sections. It's all volunteer labor and I believe the proceeds go to homeless people and victims of domestic violence. I have acquired some awesome old maps this way as well as rare and interesting works. Unless aggressively digitized, most of the data will become unobtainium at some point. One learns to respect previous standards of writing, editing, illustration, design, publishing and printing. Oh how the mighty have fallen!
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- unsungNovelty 1y agoI can only imagine the feeling of visiting this bookshop. Hopefully these books will find a good home. I just went to Chruch street in Bengaluru which is full of bookshops like this (obviously not at this scale). Bookworm (a new gem I found) and all 3 Blossoms bookstore (famous in Bengaluru) shops is what I covered on my recent visit. Morning 11:30 till evening ~6:30 buying 19 books. And happy to report that it was really crowded as well.
- parodysbird 1y agoI remember being a young boy spending summers with my grandmother who lived on Church Street. I used to spend whole days in those book shops, good to know they are still a major part of the neighborhood.
- unsungNovelty 1y agoIt definitely is. This was my first visit after 7 years. Cos I only recently moved back to BLR. And I do remember a time where there was a dip in visitors on weekends (Or maybe I felt?). But that has definitely changed. Kind of annoying as well with way too crowded blossoms. Good problems to have. :) There is also https://www.tumblr.com/overheardatblossoms https://www.tumblr.com/overheardatblossoms Looks like it is not updated anymore.
- rramadass 1y agoMan, this makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. I just love books, have a large collection of my own (though obviously not on the scale of the article) and am always on the lookout for offbeat books (old/new/whatever) on any subjects that i find interesting. With Internet Archives/Project Gutenberg/etc. you can of course have your ebook versions but there is nothing like having a hard copy in hand. The right book at the right time can often be transformative opening up your mind to new ideas/possibilities and leading to better knowledge and wisdom. For example; reading Bergen Evans' The Natural History of Nonsense (https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.77094 https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.77094) from 1946, one of the earliest books on skepticism w.r.t. people's irrational beliefs/thinking/behaviour teaches you the importance of critical thinking for yourself which is arguably even more important today. A good review from Goodreads here - https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2099042654 https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/2099042654 Another good collection are the excellent science/mathematics books from the erstwhile USSR many of which are now available at https://mirtitles.org/ https://mirtitles.org/ A subset of those titles are available in hard copy form from low cost publishers on Amazon India. Checkout for example B.N.Ivanov's Fundamentals of Physics (https://mirtitles.org/2018/04/21/fundamentals-of-physics-ivanov/ https://mirtitles.org/2018/04/21/fundamentals-of-physics-iva...) and Roman Podolny's Something Called Nothing: Physical Vacuum: What Is It? (https://mirtitles.org/2013/11/24/something-called-nothing-podolny/ https://mirtitles.org/2013/11/24/something-called-nothing-po...) both of which are interesting takes on aspects of Physics.
- petercooper 1y agoThe right book at the right time can often be transformative opening up your mind to new ideas/possibilities and leading to better knowledge and wisdom. I agree. I'm a bit of a used book shop dweller and collector of oddities myself and I'm often struck with this sort of inspired feeling after reading the most random old thing that might otherwise have ended up being recycled. There's so much human experience packed into old books that simply isn't available online at all. Kudos to anyone who makes a serious effort to collect and archive even a slither of it (not me - anything I have will end up in the trash when I die).
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- araes 1y agoTook forever, yet eventually found the place. Surprising lack of addresses for having stories in the Yorkshire Post and the BBC. Nobody actually linked to the address or a sale listing. Old Youth Hostel, Aysgarth, North Yorkshire. Corner of A684 and Church Bank. Shows up as the "Palmer Flatt Hotel, Leyburn DL8 3SR, UK" on Google Maps. Closest major city is Leeds at 1h 30m drive. Middlesbrough is maybe 1h 10m. Manchester is maybe 2h. Lots of very obvious books on every floor through the windows. Notably, this is literally almost in the exact center of the Yorkshire Dales National Park. This about as far away from "anything" as you can even get in the United Kingdom. https://www.google.com/maps/place/A684,+United+Kingdom/@54.290519,-1.9837591,3a,75y,12.63h,89.27t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s1ZIrDTHKzx1ts16aXFnWhQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D0.7316456442445087%26panoid%3D1ZIrDTHKzx1ts16aXFnWhQ%26yaw%3D12.630953152645333!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x487c13f66d54ae35:0x1042ac8fc9f5e5e8!8m2!3d54.3032041!4d-2.0459819!16s%2Fm%2F026xq07?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDgyNS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D https://www.google.com/maps/place/A684,+United+Kingdom/@54.2... Echo the sentiment that 10 GBP/book, perpetual storage, sounds good, with the caveat that its in the middle of nowhere.