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2011, And yet it uses the phrase, "Deaf Mutes"

Poiesis 14y ago
The copy elsewhere on the page suggests that English is not the native language of the person writing the copy.
cpeterso 14y ago
What is a more appropriate term? Also, I understand how this product benefit deaf people, but I don't understand how it would be any more useful to mute people than non-mute people.
- blvr 14y ago
  >>>What is a more appropriate term? According to Wikipedia, just 'deaf'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaf-mute http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaf-mute I'll resist the urge to rant about political correctness.
  - davidarkemp2 14y ago
    To quote Richard Herring: This political correctness stick is brought up on these occasions to ridicule a world where you can't say certain things any more. But this stuff isn't about this invented construct of PCness - does anyone claim to be politically correct? It's just a pejorative term invented by people who want to still be racist and old-fashioned. It's about respecting people whatever their background and not making sweeping and offensive statements about them based on the colour of their skin or where they come from or their disability, sexuality or gender. http://www.richardherring.com/warmingup/?id=2299 http://www.richardherring.com/warmingup/?id=2299
- jayferd 14y ago
  "Deaf-mute" has mostly fallen out of usage, much like other once-commonplace derogatory classifiers such as "colored", "oriental", and "savage". Generally speaking, "deaf" = physically deaf, i.e. unable to hear, and "Deaf" = culturally Deaf, i.e. part of a visual-culture / signing linguistic group. Big-D Deafness does not necessarily imply little-d deafness, nor the other way around. Children of Deaf adults, for example, often learn a signed language before an auditory one, despite being physically able to hear. And sadly, many physically deaf children are still deprived of language until quite late in their development. And, as always, if a Deaf person tells you something that contradicts me, that person is right. For more info, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaf_culture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaf_culture
  - freehunter 14y ago
    It's hard to keep up with quickly-changing political correctness, especially if you're not a native English speaker (like the author). Words that were once considered sensitive are now derogatory and new words invented to replace them. In a decade or two, that new word will be insensitive and new words will need to be invented. People will then forget the word was offensive. "Idiot" was once the technical term to describe someone with severe mental disabilities. Colored can hardly be called derogatory, just ask the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People: the NAACP.
    - jayferd 14y ago
      I agree it can be difficult, and these things do change drastically over time. The NAACP was founded at a time when "colored" was not considered derogatory, and they haven't changed the name since, for a number of reasons. But if you go around talking about "colored people", you will get lots of weird looks. Beyond simple political-correctness, though, the most important thing is to understand how our language affects people. A major problem with "Deaf-mute" (and also with "colored" and "oriental") is that these terms are oversimplifications at best, and drastic misrepresentations at worst. They're not just words - they represent actual cultural misunderstandings. With the Deaf, for example, the core misunderstanding is usually thinking of deafness as a medical disability. It comes as a surprise to most people that the Deaf do not generally consider themselves "disabled", but instead possessing a different human experience. This is difficult, I think, for a hearing person to imagine if they have not met and interacted with a Deaf person. Anyways, that was a very long-winded way of saying that it's not just about finding the most politically-correct term to use - it's about finding terms that describe the world as it actually is.

The copy elsewhere on the page suggests that English is not the native language of the person writing the copy.

What is a more appropriate term? Also, I understand how this product benefit deaf people, but I don't understand how it would be any more useful to mute people than non-mute people.

blvr 14y ago
>>>What is a more appropriate term? According to Wikipedia, just 'deaf'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaf-mute http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaf-mute I'll resist the urge to rant about political correctness.
- davidarkemp2 14y ago
  To quote Richard Herring: This political correctness stick is brought up on these occasions to ridicule a world where you can't say certain things any more. But this stuff isn't about this invented construct of PCness - does anyone claim to be politically correct? It's just a pejorative term invented by people who want to still be racist and old-fashioned. It's about respecting people whatever their background and not making sweeping and offensive statements about them based on the colour of their skin or where they come from or their disability, sexuality or gender. http://www.richardherring.com/warmingup/?id=2299 http://www.richardherring.com/warmingup/?id=2299
jayferd 14y ago
"Deaf-mute" has mostly fallen out of usage, much like other once-commonplace derogatory classifiers such as "colored", "oriental", and "savage". Generally speaking, "deaf" = physically deaf, i.e. unable to hear, and "Deaf" = culturally Deaf, i.e. part of a visual-culture / signing linguistic group. Big-D Deafness does not necessarily imply little-d deafness, nor the other way around. Children of Deaf adults, for example, often learn a signed language before an auditory one, despite being physically able to hear. And sadly, many physically deaf children are still deprived of language until quite late in their development. And, as always, if a Deaf person tells you something that contradicts me, that person is right. For more info, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaf_culture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaf_culture
- freehunter 14y ago
  It's hard to keep up with quickly-changing political correctness, especially if you're not a native English speaker (like the author). Words that were once considered sensitive are now derogatory and new words invented to replace them. In a decade or two, that new word will be insensitive and new words will need to be invented. People will then forget the word was offensive. "Idiot" was once the technical term to describe someone with severe mental disabilities. Colored can hardly be called derogatory, just ask the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People: the NAACP.
  - jayferd 14y ago
    I agree it can be difficult, and these things do change drastically over time. The NAACP was founded at a time when "colored" was not considered derogatory, and they haven't changed the name since, for a number of reasons. But if you go around talking about "colored people", you will get lots of weird looks. Beyond simple political-correctness, though, the most important thing is to understand how our language affects people. A major problem with "Deaf-mute" (and also with "colored" and "oriental") is that these terms are oversimplifications at best, and drastic misrepresentations at worst. They're not just words - they represent actual cultural misunderstandings. With the Deaf, for example, the core misunderstanding is usually thinking of deafness as a medical disability. It comes as a surprise to most people that the Deaf do not generally consider themselves "disabled", but instead possessing a different human experience. This is difficult, I think, for a hearing person to imagine if they have not met and interacted with a Deaf person. Anyways, that was a very long-winded way of saying that it's not just about finding the most politically-correct term to use - it's about finding terms that describe the world as it actually is.