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Terrible. RIP. :( What can we do to stop things like this from happening again? There's clearly no quick-fix overnight solution, but there should be some set

Terrible. RIP. :( What can we do to stop things like this from happening again? There's clearly no quick-fix overnight solution, but there should be some set of actions we can take to slowly reduce/eventually eliminate this kind of violence. Any ideas?

bishnu 14y ago
Build good schools. Send people to them.
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  - willvarfar 14y ago
    Come on, one-liners are fine. There is correlation between education and happiness and world well-being. Hans Rosling has plenty of great talks on TED about it. No-one can say his analysis is shallow. What is interesting though is that Egypt and especially Tunisia did invest heavily in education. The result is countries with highly-educated under-employed generation and, eventually, peaceful(ish) revolution. In a global Adam-Smith scheme of things, what can a country like Egypt or Tunisia export? Where can jobs come from?
    - Evbn 14y ago
      They could export microchips and software, like Israel does.
redthrowaway 14y ago
Fight religious extremism in all its forms. Let it be known that, as a civilized people, we will not tolerate the barbaric intrusions of emotionally and intellectually stunted children who can be whipped into a murderous frenzy by some priest or imam prattling on about God. Their "culture", such as it is, is simply incompatible with ours, and ours must win. This is why the isolationists and non-interventionists are so gravely mistaken, and why the homicidal infants have a leg up in this fight: the latter understand that this is a war of cultures, and that only one will survive. They've already infiltrated Europe and demanded their right to Sharia law, their right to blow up embassies because of cartoons or, as in this case, movies, their right to bomb subways. If we are to preserve the Enlightenment values that have raised humanity out of the dark ages and so improved our lot in life, if we are to continue to progress as a species, then we must be willing to fight for what we believe. We will not win this battle with diplomacy; our enemy has no desire for it. We must stamp out the medieval death cults that threaten us, and this will require force. We didn't start this fight, and let no liberal or pacifist tell you that the suicide bombings and attacks on liberty are the result of our foreign policy; they are not. They are the result of the inherent incompatibility of freedom and fundamentalism. Freedom isn't free, and if we aren't willing to fight to preserve our liberty, then we will deservedly lose it.
- cup 14y ago
  >Let it be known that, as a civilized people, we will not tolerate the barbaric intrusions of emotionally and intellectually stunted children who can be whipped into a murderous frenzy by some priest or imam prattling on about God. A profoundly poor sentence. You're ravings are better suited somewhere else, soon you'll be talking about the gates of Vienna and protection of enlightened Christian Europe. >We didn't start this fight, and let no liberal or pacifist tell you that the suicide bombings and attacks on liberty are the result of our foreign policy; they are not. They are the result of the inherent incompatibility of freedom and fundamentalism. Freedom isn't free, and if we aren't willing to fight to preserve our liberty, then we will deservedly lose it. I never imagined I would see something like this written in HN. Yes, the even is sad. The death and circumstances around it are terrible, but to take such a narrow one minded view only fuels the fire. These people have legitimate grievances which people in the west continue to fuel because they believe their moral values are more 'enlightened'. Tell me, do you really think your post sounds like something coming from a 'civilized' person?
  - redthrowaway 14y ago
    >A profoundly poor sentence. You're[sic] ravings are better suited somewhere else, soon you'll be talking about the gates of Vienna and protection of enlightened Christian Europe. If you'd like to make a point, I'd be happy to respond to it. >These people have legitimate grievances which people in the west continue to fuel Really? These people just bombed an embassy because a movie offended them. These people earlier bombed embassies because cartoons offended them. These people, earlier still, sentenced an author to death because they were offended by a segment in one of his novels, in which a paranoid schizophrenic hallucinates that he is the archangel Gibreel. These people are barbaric, violent, and emotionally stunted. These people react to people saying things they don't like by blowing them up, and these people think it their right to force their beliefs on the world at the point of a sword or muzzle of an AK-47. >they believe their moral values are more 'enlightened' Our values are more enlightened, in case you hadn't noticed. Your attempts to draw false equivalences between a culture which enshrines freedom and equality in law, and one which attacks same at every turn, is both laughable and deplorable.
belorn 14y ago
Promote free exchange of culture. When we eliminate the feeling of "us vs them", believer vs non-believer, west vs east, I believe most kind of nation wide violence disappear. The easiest way to do so is to allow music, video and communities to be shared. I think we can be rather sure that few if any of the religious lunatics that participated in the attack was part of the EVE community. Had one been in it, its likely he would had thought "Wait I know who works in that building, he is good person. lets go somewhere else.".
antihero 14y ago
End neo-colonialism and imperialistic power grabs by the US? Not so much Egypt (every country is different) but in the Middle East, it's far more political anger than it is religious anger - the religion is just a vessel.
flyinRyan 14y ago
>What can we do to stop things like this from happening again? The best way? Kill this stupid mentality of "what can we do to make sure this never happens again". It is exactly this mentality that lead to his death: 911 happened so we started a war against a concept and started invading people's countries, killing good people from both sides. Norway is the example we should all follow: when something terrible happens, morn and punish those directly responsible but don't change anything about yourself and don't go off with lunacy like fighting ideals.
ucee054 14y ago
Get the first world to stop meddling in the third world. Especially, stop overthrowing their governments. The jihadi loon "freedom fighters" who are now running around in Libya and Syria were created in Afghanistan when James Bond, Rambo and Zbigniew Brzezinski decided that it was a really good idea to annoy the Russians by giving Stinger missiles to Osama Ben Laden. What could possibly go wrong? Note: AlQaeda are Islamo-Reaganites, not Islamo-Fascists. Mussolini wasn't much involved. ADDENDUM: Let's overthrough Ghaddafi and leave Libya in jihadi militia-ridden chaos, What could possibly go wrong?
- Evbn 14y ago
  Nothing will go wrong. War in Asia and Africa is great for the American economy.

bishnu 14y ago

Build good schools. Send people to them.

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- willvarfar 14y ago
  Come on, one-liners are fine. There is correlation between education and happiness and world well-being. Hans Rosling has plenty of great talks on TED about it. No-one can say his analysis is shallow. What is interesting though is that Egypt and especially Tunisia did invest heavily in education. The result is countries with highly-educated under-employed generation and, eventually, peaceful(ish) revolution. In a global Adam-Smith scheme of things, what can a country like Egypt or Tunisia export? Where can jobs come from?
  - Evbn 14y ago
    They could export microchips and software, like Israel does.

redthrowaway 14y ago

Fight religious extremism in all its forms. Let it be known that, as a civilized people, we will not tolerate the barbaric intrusions of emotionally and intellectually stunted children who can be whipped into a murderous frenzy by some priest or imam prattling on about God. Their "culture", such as it is, is simply incompatible with ours, and ours must win. This is why the isolationists and non-interventionists are so gravely mistaken, and why the homicidal infants have a leg up in this fight: the latter understand that this is a war of cultures, and that only one will survive. They've already infiltrated Europe and demanded their right to Sharia law, their right to blow up embassies because of cartoons or, as in this case, movies, their right to bomb subways. If we are to preserve the Enlightenment values that have raised humanity out of the dark ages and so improved our lot in life, if we are to continue to progress as a species, then we must be willing to fight for what we believe. We will not win this battle with diplomacy; our enemy has no desire for it. We must stamp out the medieval death cults that threaten us, and this will require force. We didn't start this fight, and let no liberal or pacifist tell you that the suicide bombings and attacks on liberty are the result of our foreign policy; they are not. They are the result of the inherent incompatibility of freedom and fundamentalism. Freedom isn't free, and if we aren't willing to fight to preserve our liberty, then we will deservedly lose it.

cup 14y ago
>Let it be known that, as a civilized people, we will not tolerate the barbaric intrusions of emotionally and intellectually stunted children who can be whipped into a murderous frenzy by some priest or imam prattling on about God. A profoundly poor sentence. You're ravings are better suited somewhere else, soon you'll be talking about the gates of Vienna and protection of enlightened Christian Europe. >We didn't start this fight, and let no liberal or pacifist tell you that the suicide bombings and attacks on liberty are the result of our foreign policy; they are not. They are the result of the inherent incompatibility of freedom and fundamentalism. Freedom isn't free, and if we aren't willing to fight to preserve our liberty, then we will deservedly lose it. I never imagined I would see something like this written in HN. Yes, the even is sad. The death and circumstances around it are terrible, but to take such a narrow one minded view only fuels the fire. These people have legitimate grievances which people in the west continue to fuel because they believe their moral values are more 'enlightened'. Tell me, do you really think your post sounds like something coming from a 'civilized' person?
- redthrowaway 14y ago
  >A profoundly poor sentence. You're[sic] ravings are better suited somewhere else, soon you'll be talking about the gates of Vienna and protection of enlightened Christian Europe. If you'd like to make a point, I'd be happy to respond to it. >These people have legitimate grievances which people in the west continue to fuel Really? These people just bombed an embassy because a movie offended them. These people earlier bombed embassies because cartoons offended them. These people, earlier still, sentenced an author to death because they were offended by a segment in one of his novels, in which a paranoid schizophrenic hallucinates that he is the archangel Gibreel. These people are barbaric, violent, and emotionally stunted. These people react to people saying things they don't like by blowing them up, and these people think it their right to force their beliefs on the world at the point of a sword or muzzle of an AK-47. >they believe their moral values are more 'enlightened' Our values are more enlightened, in case you hadn't noticed. Your attempts to draw false equivalences between a culture which enshrines freedom and equality in law, and one which attacks same at every turn, is both laughable and deplorable.

belorn 14y ago

Promote free exchange of culture. When we eliminate the feeling of "us vs them", believer vs non-believer, west vs east, I believe most kind of nation wide violence disappear. The easiest way to do so is to allow music, video and communities to be shared. I think we can be rather sure that few if any of the religious lunatics that participated in the attack was part of the EVE community. Had one been in it, its likely he would had thought "Wait I know who works in that building, he is good person. lets go somewhere else.".

antihero 14y ago

End neo-colonialism and imperialistic power grabs by the US? Not so much Egypt (every country is different) but in the Middle East, it's far more political anger than it is religious anger - the religion is just a vessel.

flyinRyan 14y ago

>What can we do to stop things like this from happening again? The best way? Kill this stupid mentality of "what can we do to make sure this never happens again". It is exactly this mentality that lead to his death: 911 happened so we started a war against a concept and started invading people's countries, killing good people from both sides. Norway is the example we should all follow: when something terrible happens, morn and punish those directly responsible but don't change anything about yourself and don't go off with lunacy like fighting ideals.

ucee054 14y ago

Get the first world to stop meddling in the third world. Especially, stop overthrowing their governments. The jihadi loon "freedom fighters" who are now running around in Libya and Syria were created in Afghanistan when James Bond, Rambo and Zbigniew Brzezinski decided that it was a really good idea to annoy the Russians by giving Stinger missiles to Osama Ben Laden. What could possibly go wrong? Note: AlQaeda are Islamo-Reaganites, not Islamo-Fascists. Mussolini wasn't much involved. ADDENDUM: Let's overthrough Ghaddafi and leave Libya in jihadi militia-ridden chaos, What could possibly go wrong?

Evbn 14y ago
Nothing will go wrong. War in Asia and Africa is great for the American economy.