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It was not at all obvious to people that haven’t heard of tuist (presumably the intended audience of your post) that tuist is a product. I thought it was a typo

It was not at all obvious to people that haven’t heard of tuist (presumably the intended audience of your post) that tuist is a product. I thought it was a typo or even possibly an insult (same form as racist, sexist, ableist, ageist, etc)

johnisgood 1y ago
> I thought it was a typo or even possibly an insult (same form as racist, sexist, ableist, ageist, etc) That is on you, though.
- MobiusHorizons 1y ago
  I completely agree with you that if I had wanted to I could have put in the effort to decipher the meaning of the post. However, the post left me with absolutely no desire to decipher it's meaning, so I did not. If instead the author had written simply "I use tuist for that" the meaning would have been immediately clear for someone like me, and I would have been much more likely to look up the product. I don't mean to imply that there is some sort of "should" to this. The author is not required to want their meaning to be understood, even though I'm not really sure what other purpose they would have for posting. But I do think that this class of miscommunication is both common and reasonably avoidable by building up a bit of a mental model of the intended audience. I was trying to provide anecdotal evidence to build up that mental model.
  - johnisgood 1y ago
    We are talking about a project's name. Why did racism (and friends) came up in your mind, or an insult? Why is this the default norm, now? People are free to down-vote me, but they cannot deny there is no truth to what I am saying. I would have never thought that a project's name was intended to be racist or cause any sort of harm. Why did you?
    - rafram 1y ago
      Because it was a single word ending in -ist, the common English suffix for a prejudice or preference? There was no context indicating that it was the name of a project.
      - johnisgood 1y ago
        And you resort to either it being an insult or something about ableist, racism, etc.? That was not something I thought of until I got reminded.
    - MobiusHorizons 1y ago
      > We are talking about a project's name. Why did racism (and friends) came up in your mind, or an insult? Please don’t take what I said as any kind of allegation that you were being insulting. Those associations were from trying to parse the word as English, which resulted in some unknown word from the family of words relating to prejudice presumably relating to textual user interfaces vs graphical. Context would have made it clear that it was a project name, in which case the word doesn’t need to be parsed.
      - johnisgood 1y ago
        It was not me who said the word, FWIW.
- adastra22 1y ago
  Another non-iOS developer here. It was absolutely not clear what you meant with a single word reply, and one that honestly looked like a typo or some kind of insult (short + -ist) I didn’t get.
  - johnisgood 1y ago
    What I meant is that people who are non-ableist, non-racist, etc. do not have racism et al. popped up in their mind. Why does everything have to do with those things in people's minds? It is tiring, and I am starting to believe they are the racists. It never crossed my mind based on the name of a project. It is ridiculous.
    - nxrabl 1y ago
      If you’re not familiar with the experience of browsing the internet and then suddenly having deeply-held parts of your identity deemed undeserving of respect, it’s the kind of thing that the mind naturally develops habits to avoid, in much the same way that you might start to walk differently through a city after getting mugged. It is indeed tiring for everyone, but the solution is not to blame people for doing what they feel like they need to do to protect themselves.
      - johnisgood 1y ago
        Of course I do, but we are talking about a project's name.
        MobiusHorizons 1y ago
        That’s the whole point. If you know we are talking about a project name (for instance by using the word in a sentence) then it makes perfect sense, but with no context one is left to try to use etymology like one might do with any unknown word.
        johnisgood 1y ago
wahnfrieden 1y ago
Glad we've cleared it up

johnisgood 1y ago

> I thought it was a typo or even possibly an insult (same form as racist, sexist, ableist, ageist, etc) That is on you, though.

MobiusHorizons 1y ago
I completely agree with you that if I had wanted to I could have put in the effort to decipher the meaning of the post. However, the post left me with absolutely no desire to decipher it's meaning, so I did not. If instead the author had written simply "I use tuist for that" the meaning would have been immediately clear for someone like me, and I would have been much more likely to look up the product. I don't mean to imply that there is some sort of "should" to this. The author is not required to want their meaning to be understood, even though I'm not really sure what other purpose they would have for posting. But I do think that this class of miscommunication is both common and reasonably avoidable by building up a bit of a mental model of the intended audience. I was trying to provide anecdotal evidence to build up that mental model.
- johnisgood 1y ago
  We are talking about a project's name. Why did racism (and friends) came up in your mind, or an insult? Why is this the default norm, now? People are free to down-vote me, but they cannot deny there is no truth to what I am saying. I would have never thought that a project's name was intended to be racist or cause any sort of harm. Why did you?
  - rafram 1y ago
    Because it was a single word ending in -ist, the common English suffix for a prejudice or preference? There was no context indicating that it was the name of a project.
    - johnisgood 1y ago
      And you resort to either it being an insult or something about ableist, racism, etc.? That was not something I thought of until I got reminded.
  - MobiusHorizons 1y ago
    > We are talking about a project's name. Why did racism (and friends) came up in your mind, or an insult? Please don’t take what I said as any kind of allegation that you were being insulting. Those associations were from trying to parse the word as English, which resulted in some unknown word from the family of words relating to prejudice presumably relating to textual user interfaces vs graphical. Context would have made it clear that it was a project name, in which case the word doesn’t need to be parsed.
    - johnisgood 1y ago
      It was not me who said the word, FWIW.
adastra22 1y ago
Another non-iOS developer here. It was absolutely not clear what you meant with a single word reply, and one that honestly looked like a typo or some kind of insult (short + -ist) I didn’t get.
- johnisgood 1y ago
  What I meant is that people who are non-ableist, non-racist, etc. do not have racism et al. popped up in their mind. Why does everything have to do with those things in people's minds? It is tiring, and I am starting to believe they are the racists. It never crossed my mind based on the name of a project. It is ridiculous.
  - nxrabl 1y ago
    If you’re not familiar with the experience of browsing the internet and then suddenly having deeply-held parts of your identity deemed undeserving of respect, it’s the kind of thing that the mind naturally develops habits to avoid, in much the same way that you might start to walk differently through a city after getting mugged. It is indeed tiring for everyone, but the solution is not to blame people for doing what they feel like they need to do to protect themselves.
    - johnisgood 1y ago
      Of course I do, but we are talking about a project's name.
      - MobiusHorizons 1y ago
        That’s the whole point. If you know we are talking about a project name (for instance by using the word in a sentence) then it makes perfect sense, but with no context one is left to try to use etymology like one might do with any unknown word.
        johnisgood 1y ago

wahnfrieden 1y ago

Glad we've cleared it up