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I'll never pay for web search, sorry.

boesboes 1y ago
That's fine, then you just have to deal with ads, 'sponsored results' and the AI spam. And the tracking, if you care about that.
- Milpotel 1y ago
  As if adblockers/browser extensions wouldn't deal with those (minus the tracking)...
- layer8 1y ago
  You don’t have to deal with that when using a suitable ad blocker.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    ... For now, and only partially. I'm not aware of any AI blocker that exists. Not to mention Google Chrome doesn't even allow full fat ad blockers.
    - therealpygon 1y ago
      > Google Chrome That would be an awfully weird browser choice after all the privacy/ad-blocking talk.
      - const_cast 1y ago
        ... or chromium. There's only one viable option, and it's firefox and derivatives. Some tech people haven't figured this out yet, forgive me if I assumed wrong. This is, after all, in a conversation about using Google Search.
  - pants2 1y ago
    You're still dealing with the fact that Google ranks results based partly on ad-revenue, so even if you're blocking the ads you're getting routed to spammier sites.
    - SEOCurmudgeon 1y ago
      Link! Jeez, this is blatantly false.
ljlolel 1y ago
You should start a business. Any business. Even making and selling music or art.
notrealyme123 1y ago
For most people it's the entry point into the internet. there are arguments for both sides. But still asking the advertising sales man for directions every time you start a journeys might not lead to your goal.
dmurko 1y ago
You're paying for it one way or another.
martin_a 1y ago
That stance seems to be the problem and what lead us all to where we are now. Maybe we should consider paying for more things, not less.
- Gualdrapo 1y ago
  > Maybe we should consider paying for more things, not less. People would be so happy. As the people "owning" a Volkswagen ID.3 or ID.4 when they learned they need to pay a monthly fee for more horsepower. https://futurism.com/car-full-performance-ev-paywall https://futurism.com/car-full-performance-ev-paywall
  - dns_snek 1y ago
    That's a non-sequitur if I've ever seen one. Paying for a service which costs money != Paying a subscription to digitally unlock a physical feature in a product that you already paid for.
  - jjice 1y ago
    Service vs product. I pay ongoing for my services and I expect to purchase my product once.
- bryanrasmussen 1y ago
  maybe we should consider getting more wages so we could pay for more things. oh wait, that's not really up for our consideration (past a certain point I suppose)
  - dns_snek 1y ago
    This logic implies that money spent on advertising isn't eventually recouped from you. Given that businesses don't engage in charity, there must be an invisible hand of the market reaching into your pocket and taking $5 when you aren't looking, while you thank them for providing you with a "free" service.
    - 1y ago
nunez 1y ago
Honestly, I'm glad that I pay for web search. How Kagi makes money is clear to me, and given that this (and merch) is the only thing they make money on, they are motivated to make it the best product possible. Also, no ads and no mandatory AI slop.

That's fine, then you just have to deal with ads, 'sponsored results' and the AI spam. And the tracking, if you care about that.

Milpotel 1y ago
As if adblockers/browser extensions wouldn't deal with those (minus the tracking)...
layer8 1y ago
You don’t have to deal with that when using a suitable ad blocker.
- const_cast 1y ago
  ... For now, and only partially. I'm not aware of any AI blocker that exists. Not to mention Google Chrome doesn't even allow full fat ad blockers.
  - therealpygon 1y ago
    > Google Chrome That would be an awfully weird browser choice after all the privacy/ad-blocking talk.
    - const_cast 1y ago
      ... or chromium. There's only one viable option, and it's firefox and derivatives. Some tech people haven't figured this out yet, forgive me if I assumed wrong. This is, after all, in a conversation about using Google Search.
- pants2 1y ago
  You're still dealing with the fact that Google ranks results based partly on ad-revenue, so even if you're blocking the ads you're getting routed to spammier sites.
  - SEOCurmudgeon 1y ago
    Link! Jeez, this is blatantly false.

ljlolel 1y ago

You should start a business. Any business. Even making and selling music or art.

notrealyme123 1y ago

For most people it's the entry point into the internet. there are arguments for both sides. But still asking the advertising sales man for directions every time you start a journeys might not lead to your goal.

dmurko 1y ago

You're paying for it one way or another.

martin_a 1y ago

That stance seems to be the problem and what lead us all to where we are now. Maybe we should consider paying for more things, not less.

Gualdrapo 1y ago
> Maybe we should consider paying for more things, not less. People would be so happy. As the people "owning" a Volkswagen ID.3 or ID.4 when they learned they need to pay a monthly fee for more horsepower. https://futurism.com/car-full-performance-ev-paywall https://futurism.com/car-full-performance-ev-paywall
- dns_snek 1y ago
  That's a non-sequitur if I've ever seen one. Paying for a service which costs money != Paying a subscription to digitally unlock a physical feature in a product that you already paid for.
- jjice 1y ago
  Service vs product. I pay ongoing for my services and I expect to purchase my product once.
bryanrasmussen 1y ago
maybe we should consider getting more wages so we could pay for more things. oh wait, that's not really up for our consideration (past a certain point I suppose)
- dns_snek 1y ago
  This logic implies that money spent on advertising isn't eventually recouped from you. Given that businesses don't engage in charity, there must be an invisible hand of the market reaching into your pocket and taking $5 when you aren't looking, while you thank them for providing you with a "free" service.
  - 1y ago

nunez 1y ago

Honestly, I'm glad that I pay for web search. How Kagi makes money is clear to me, and given that this (and merch) is the only thing they make money on, they are motivated to make it the best product possible. Also, no ads and no mandatory AI slop.