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Or just switch to Kagi and cease twisting yourself into pretzels to get software that doesn't want to do what you want, to do what you want. Kagi simply does wh

Or just switch to Kagi and cease twisting yourself into pretzels to get software that doesn't want to do what you want, to do what you want. Kagi simply does what you want. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/settings/widgets.html https://help.kagi.com/kagi/settings/widgets.html ("Each widget can be individually toggled") No Kagi experience to date has led me to think words like "...in a fit of rage against Kagi search" or attempt to swear at it. Software shouldn't do that.

baal80spam 1y ago
I'll never pay for web search, sorry.
- boesboes 1y ago
  That's fine, then you just have to deal with ads, 'sponsored results' and the AI spam. And the tracking, if you care about that.
  - Milpotel 1y ago
    As if adblockers/browser extensions wouldn't deal with those (minus the tracking)...
  - layer8 1y ago
    You don’t have to deal with that when using a suitable ad blocker.
    - const_cast 1y ago
      ... For now, and only partially. I'm not aware of any AI blocker that exists. Not to mention Google Chrome doesn't even allow full fat ad blockers.
      - therealpygon 1y ago
        > Google Chrome That would be an awfully weird browser choice after all the privacy/ad-blocking talk.
        const_cast 1y ago
        ... or chromium. There's only one viable option, and it's firefox and derivatives. Some tech people haven't figured this out yet, forgive me if I assumed wrong. This is, after all, in a conversation about using Google Search.
    - pants2 1y ago
      You're still dealing with the fact that Google ranks results based partly on ad-revenue, so even if you're blocking the ads you're getting routed to spammier sites.
      - SEOCurmudgeon 1y ago
        Link! Jeez, this is blatantly false.
- ljlolel 1y ago
  You should start a business. Any business. Even making and selling music or art.
- notrealyme123 1y ago
  For most people it's the entry point into the internet. there are arguments for both sides. But still asking the advertising sales man for directions every time you start a journeys might not lead to your goal.
- dmurko 1y ago
  You're paying for it one way or another.
- martin_a 1y ago
  That stance seems to be the problem and what lead us all to where we are now. Maybe we should consider paying for more things, not less.
  - Gualdrapo 1y ago
    > Maybe we should consider paying for more things, not less. People would be so happy. As the people "owning" a Volkswagen ID.3 or ID.4 when they learned they need to pay a monthly fee for more horsepower. https://futurism.com/car-full-performance-ev-paywall https://futurism.com/car-full-performance-ev-paywall
    - dns_snek 1y ago
      That's a non-sequitur if I've ever seen one. Paying for a service which costs money != Paying a subscription to digitally unlock a physical feature in a product that you already paid for.
    - jjice 1y ago
      Service vs product. I pay ongoing for my services and I expect to purchase my product once.
  - bryanrasmussen 1y ago
    maybe we should consider getting more wages so we could pay for more things. oh wait, that's not really up for our consideration (past a certain point I suppose)
    - dns_snek 1y ago
      This logic implies that money spent on advertising isn't eventually recouped from you. Given that businesses don't engage in charity, there must be an invisible hand of the market reaching into your pocket and taking $5 when you aren't looking, while you thank them for providing you with a "free" service.
      - 1y ago
- nunez 1y ago
  Honestly, I'm glad that I pay for web search. How Kagi makes money is clear to me, and given that this (and merch) is the only thing they make money on, they are motivated to make it the best product possible. Also, no ads and no mandatory AI slop.
qwertox 1y ago
When I tested Kagi, I thought that it just doesn't do what I want. At some things it was better, but the small things, they add up.
- al_borland 1y ago
  Did you adjust your settings to make them what you want, or did you throw away the whole thing because you didn't agree with the defaults for everyone?
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
  - qwertox 1y ago
    Things like the missing info widgets, missing "People also ask", the mapbox maps being not good. Things required more clicks.
margarina72 1y ago
I can concur - google search product is not usable for a long time. Kagi is probably the only search product that work like a search product is supposed to.
TiredOfLife 1y ago
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monort 1y ago
Kagi search results are great, but keywords are not highlighted. How is it usable? Is there an option to enable highlighting?
naivenievewhtev 1y ago
You want me to pay to search the internet? Could you please label your post *sponsored content*!
- jopicornell 1y ago
  It's not a sponsored content but a happy user sharing with its community. > You want me to pay to search the internet? Yes. Or you pay and get privacy and good results or you don't pay and they decide which results are better for their profits. That's not how it should work. Companies should build good software so that users use them, not because they have the monopoly and can do dark patterns that result in good profits for them at the expense of the user privacy. Google is not a good software company anymore, their products are abandoned and UX is in extreme decadence in favour of AI. On the other hand, Kagi uses AI to provide good results and give the best UX to its users. You see? The other way around.
9029 1y ago
It sounds good but I feel little uneasy about them paying Yandex

baal80spam 1y ago

I'll never pay for web search, sorry.

boesboes 1y ago
That's fine, then you just have to deal with ads, 'sponsored results' and the AI spam. And the tracking, if you care about that.
- Milpotel 1y ago
  As if adblockers/browser extensions wouldn't deal with those (minus the tracking)...
- layer8 1y ago
  You don’t have to deal with that when using a suitable ad blocker.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    ... For now, and only partially. I'm not aware of any AI blocker that exists. Not to mention Google Chrome doesn't even allow full fat ad blockers.
    - therealpygon 1y ago
      > Google Chrome That would be an awfully weird browser choice after all the privacy/ad-blocking talk.
      - const_cast 1y ago
        ... or chromium. There's only one viable option, and it's firefox and derivatives. Some tech people haven't figured this out yet, forgive me if I assumed wrong. This is, after all, in a conversation about using Google Search.
  - pants2 1y ago
    You're still dealing with the fact that Google ranks results based partly on ad-revenue, so even if you're blocking the ads you're getting routed to spammier sites.
    - SEOCurmudgeon 1y ago
      Link! Jeez, this is blatantly false.
ljlolel 1y ago
You should start a business. Any business. Even making and selling music or art.
notrealyme123 1y ago
For most people it's the entry point into the internet. there are arguments for both sides. But still asking the advertising sales man for directions every time you start a journeys might not lead to your goal.
dmurko 1y ago
You're paying for it one way or another.
martin_a 1y ago
That stance seems to be the problem and what lead us all to where we are now. Maybe we should consider paying for more things, not less.
- Gualdrapo 1y ago
  > Maybe we should consider paying for more things, not less. People would be so happy. As the people "owning" a Volkswagen ID.3 or ID.4 when they learned they need to pay a monthly fee for more horsepower. https://futurism.com/car-full-performance-ev-paywall https://futurism.com/car-full-performance-ev-paywall
  - dns_snek 1y ago
    That's a non-sequitur if I've ever seen one. Paying for a service which costs money != Paying a subscription to digitally unlock a physical feature in a product that you already paid for.
  - jjice 1y ago
    Service vs product. I pay ongoing for my services and I expect to purchase my product once.
- bryanrasmussen 1y ago
  maybe we should consider getting more wages so we could pay for more things. oh wait, that's not really up for our consideration (past a certain point I suppose)
  - dns_snek 1y ago
    This logic implies that money spent on advertising isn't eventually recouped from you. Given that businesses don't engage in charity, there must be an invisible hand of the market reaching into your pocket and taking $5 when you aren't looking, while you thank them for providing you with a "free" service.
    - 1y ago
nunez 1y ago
Honestly, I'm glad that I pay for web search. How Kagi makes money is clear to me, and given that this (and merch) is the only thing they make money on, they are motivated to make it the best product possible. Also, no ads and no mandatory AI slop.

qwertox 1y ago

When I tested Kagi, I thought that it just doesn't do what I want. At some things it was better, but the small things, they add up.

al_borland 1y ago
Did you adjust your settings to make them what you want, or did you throw away the whole thing because you didn't agree with the defaults for everyone?
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- qwertox 1y ago
  Things like the missing info widgets, missing "People also ask", the mapbox maps being not good. Things required more clicks.

margarina72 1y ago

I can concur - google search product is not usable for a long time. Kagi is probably the only search product that work like a search product is supposed to.

TiredOfLife 1y ago

[flagged]

monort 1y ago

Kagi search results are great, but keywords are not highlighted. How is it usable? Is there an option to enable highlighting?

naivenievewhtev 1y ago

You want me to pay to search the internet? Could you please label your post *sponsored content*!

jopicornell 1y ago
It's not a sponsored content but a happy user sharing with its community. > You want me to pay to search the internet? Yes. Or you pay and get privacy and good results or you don't pay and they decide which results are better for their profits. That's not how it should work. Companies should build good software so that users use them, not because they have the monopoly and can do dark patterns that result in good profits for them at the expense of the user privacy. Google is not a good software company anymore, their products are abandoned and UX is in extreme decadence in favour of AI. On the other hand, Kagi uses AI to provide good results and give the best UX to its users. You see? The other way around.

9029 1y ago

It sounds good but I feel little uneasy about them paying Yandex