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I bet the Romans didn't think by crucifying Jesus that they'd also be crucifying their empire.

pqtyw 1y ago
Considering that for almost a millennium Roman and [the right type of]Christian were basically synonyms that's maybe not that straightforward.,
- johnnienaked 1y ago
  It's the basic thesis of the article. Did you read it?
  - pqtyw 1y ago
    You mean the linked article: https://debramaymacleod.com/blog/the-last-vestal-virgin-and-the-fall-of-rome https://debramaymacleod.com/blog/the-last-vestal-virgin-and-... ? If anything its implying the opposite?
    - johnnienaked 1y ago
      You think it's implying that the Christian religion (started with the crucifixion of Jesus) is not responsible for the fall of Rome?
      - pqtyw 1y ago
        Yes exactly. My point was the complete opposite, though. By the time of the "fall of Rome" and for the succeeding 500+ years during which the Roman empire had many ups and down, being the Roman effectively became the equivalent of being [the right kind of] christian. It's not at all obvious that it wouldn't have survived as long without christianity.
        johnnienaked 1y ago
        OK but the article is saying Christianity destroyed the Roman Empire because of its religious intolerance. Which is sort of rich considering the crucifixion was religious intolerance from the Romans/Jews
- johnnienaked 1y ago
  Almost a millennium? According to the article the Roman Empire fell in the last decades of the 4th century. That's 400 years from the death of Christ, and includes the 100 years or so where Christians were badly persecuted. A fact, I might add, the author leaves out of her analysis.
becausereligi 1y ago
Alexander tied Bessus between two trees to dick him down -- Babylonian Chronicle One. But the Akkadian chronicles have the older stories. While the Greek custom was to tie between trees ("Between Two Ferns"), the Romans and the East did crucifixion. The Israelite Jews - who had invaded the pristine land of Canaan per the circum covenant of Abraham but really without the consent of the Canaanites - asked the Romans to handle Jesus Christ, a Jewish reformer who had trained to fish with John the Baptist. The Romans asked Herod to handle Christ. Herod was neither Jewish nor Roman (but Canaanite). 20 years later Paul - from a temple to Corinth, Greece - decided it was a love story; it's about love.

Considering that for almost a millennium Roman and [the right type of]Christian were basically synonyms that's maybe not that straightforward.,

johnnienaked 1y ago
It's the basic thesis of the article. Did you read it?
- pqtyw 1y ago
  You mean the linked article: https://debramaymacleod.com/blog/the-last-vestal-virgin-and-the-fall-of-rome https://debramaymacleod.com/blog/the-last-vestal-virgin-and-... ? If anything its implying the opposite?
  - johnnienaked 1y ago
    You think it's implying that the Christian religion (started with the crucifixion of Jesus) is not responsible for the fall of Rome?
    - pqtyw 1y ago
      Yes exactly. My point was the complete opposite, though. By the time of the "fall of Rome" and for the succeeding 500+ years during which the Roman empire had many ups and down, being the Roman effectively became the equivalent of being [the right kind of] christian. It's not at all obvious that it wouldn't have survived as long without christianity.
      - johnnienaked 1y ago
        OK but the article is saying Christianity destroyed the Roman Empire because of its religious intolerance. Which is sort of rich considering the crucifixion was religious intolerance from the Romans/Jews
johnnienaked 1y ago
Almost a millennium? According to the article the Roman Empire fell in the last decades of the 4th century. That's 400 years from the death of Christ, and includes the 100 years or so where Christians were badly persecuted. A fact, I might add, the author leaves out of her analysis.

becausereligi 1y ago

Alexander tied Bessus between two trees to dick him down -- Babylonian Chronicle One. But the Akkadian chronicles have the older stories. While the Greek custom was to tie between trees ("Between Two Ferns"), the Romans and the East did crucifixion. The Israelite Jews - who had invaded the pristine land of Canaan per the circum covenant of Abraham but really without the consent of the Canaanites - asked the Romans to handle Jesus Christ, a Jewish reformer who had trained to fish with John the Baptist. The Romans asked Herod to handle Christ. Herod was neither Jewish nor Roman (but Canaanite). 20 years later Paul - from a temple to Corinth, Greece - decided it was a love story; it's about love.