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I did not, but I think a lot of people are so desperate for change that any change at some point is better than the status quo. The DNC undermining Sanders in 2

I did not, but I think a lot of people are so desperate for change that any change at some point is better than the status quo. The DNC undermining Sanders in 2016 was a big mistake.

croes 1y ago
Snd Trump undermines the constitution, social security, government agencies etc. That‘s not change but destruction
cosmicgadget 1y ago
Thank you for the answer, what did they want change from? And why would Trump - a former president - provide more change than Harris? It's strange to me because it seemed like the dominating issues should have been recovering from the economic destruction wrought by covid monetary policy and dealing with the overt Russian threat.
- anthem2025 1y ago
  Biden literally campaigned on “nothing will fundamentally change”. Why would people think his VP would suddenly be different. Add in her proven unpopularity and the fact that they didn’t run a primary and you have a perfect recipe for a total disaster.
  - cosmicgadget 1y ago
    I mean VPs are typically selected to be very different from their running mate. Just think of Trump and Pence. Or Trump and the guy who called him "America's Hitler".
    - anthem2025 1y ago
      She was selected because he promised a woman of color and she was the obvious choice from that pool.
      - cosmicgadget 1y ago
        Can you please connect that to the topic of discussion you started?
- andsoitis 1y ago
  > And why would Trump - a former president - provide more change than Harris? Famously, Kamala Harris said in an interview on The View that she was a biggest part of the impactful decisions in the Biden administration AND that there’s nothing she would have done differently! https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/08/politics/video/kamala-harris-the-view-interview-ana-navarro-digvid https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/08/politics/video/kamala-harris-... Making matters worse, when she went on Colbert she said nothing would change other than she would be president rather than Biden: https://youtu.be/6eZw3GzmPGc?feature=shared https://youtu.be/6eZw3GzmPGc?feature=shared Trump has already done many things very differently than in his own first term, and undoubtedly different from the prior administration.
  - cosmicgadget 1y ago
    I just skipped through the Colbert one but I didn't hear her say nothing would change. Did I miss it or was it in reference to not unwinding any policies? She very specifically mentioned her 'opportunity economy' initiative which very clearly would be a change. Trump has definitely done many things differently but the rhetoric wasn't any different in the campaign - immigration, transgender athletes, and the bigliest prosperity you have every seen.
    - andsoitis 1y ago
      > I just skipped through the Colbert one but I didn't hear her say nothing would change. At the 30s mark: Colbert: “under a Harris administration, what would the changes be, and what would stay the same?” Harris: “sure, we’ll obviously I’m not Joe Biden, and so, uhm, that would be one change, but also it is important to say with 28 days to go I’m not Donald Trump and so when we think about the significance of what this next generation of leadership looks like were I to be elected president, it is about frankly, I love the American people…” So the only thing she said would change under Harrris administration is that she would be president, and then she deflected into aspirational outcomes with no specific ideas as to how to accomplish. Further, The View interview was on 10/8/2024 and the Colbert interview one day later. So she even had a chance to originate a recover from the “no change” statement.
- deepfriedchokes 1y ago
  IMO, these are emotional decisions, not rational, and often people aren’t aware of where those feelings originate, as they stem from the subconscious. IMHO, the elephant in the room is capitalism, but it’s like the church, so sacrosanct you aren’t allowed to question it, so instead people take their anger out on those with less power.
nitwit005 1y ago
The candidates certainly think this is true. Remember that Obama ran on the word "change". The "in you believe in" part was often in small text below, or completely omitted. Trump tried hard to be perceived as an outsider candidate when trying to return to office. Logically, that makes no sense, but I'm sure their research showed it was important.
- kelipso 1y ago
  Trump 2 admin did bring in a lot of outsiders including our beloved Musk and a bunch of other people from Silicon Valley too, and they got rid of a lot of people from the Trump 1 admin. So logically the outsider candidate thing did make sense.
  - nitwit005 1y ago
    He didn't name Musk during the campaign. He presumably thought that'd hurt his chances.
    - kelipso 1y ago
      Musk campaigned for him pretty actively. I remember a "chance to win a million dollars if you vote" thing Musk ran in Pennsylvania that was controversial. I don't remember if Musk was part of the official campaign team though, probably not. There were a lot of outsiders, many from the tech scene, in his campaign though. Very obvious show of support from tech billionaires pre-election.
rsynnott 1y ago
> I did not, but I think a lot of people are so desperate for change that any change at some point is better than the status quo. This was a common argument in some of the poorest and most EU-dependent parts of the UK (these generally voted for Brexit). Well, they got change, alright.

I did not, but I think a lot of people are so desperate for change that any change at some point is better than the status quo. The DNC undermining Sanders in 2016 was a big mistake.

croes 1y ago

Snd Trump undermines the constitution, social security, government agencies etc. That‘s not change but destruction

cosmicgadget 1y ago

Thank you for the answer, what did they want change from? And why would Trump - a former president - provide more change than Harris? It's strange to me because it seemed like the dominating issues should have been recovering from the economic destruction wrought by covid monetary policy and dealing with the overt Russian threat.

anthem2025 1y ago
Biden literally campaigned on “nothing will fundamentally change”. Why would people think his VP would suddenly be different. Add in her proven unpopularity and the fact that they didn’t run a primary and you have a perfect recipe for a total disaster.
- cosmicgadget 1y ago
  I mean VPs are typically selected to be very different from their running mate. Just think of Trump and Pence. Or Trump and the guy who called him "America's Hitler".
  - anthem2025 1y ago
    She was selected because he promised a woman of color and she was the obvious choice from that pool.
    - cosmicgadget 1y ago
      Can you please connect that to the topic of discussion you started?
andsoitis 1y ago
> And why would Trump - a former president - provide more change than Harris? Famously, Kamala Harris said in an interview on The View that she was a biggest part of the impactful decisions in the Biden administration AND that there’s nothing she would have done differently! https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/08/politics/video/kamala-harris-the-view-interview-ana-navarro-digvid https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/08/politics/video/kamala-harris-... Making matters worse, when she went on Colbert she said nothing would change other than she would be president rather than Biden: https://youtu.be/6eZw3GzmPGc?feature=shared https://youtu.be/6eZw3GzmPGc?feature=shared Trump has already done many things very differently than in his own first term, and undoubtedly different from the prior administration.
- cosmicgadget 1y ago
  I just skipped through the Colbert one but I didn't hear her say nothing would change. Did I miss it or was it in reference to not unwinding any policies? She very specifically mentioned her 'opportunity economy' initiative which very clearly would be a change. Trump has definitely done many things differently but the rhetoric wasn't any different in the campaign - immigration, transgender athletes, and the bigliest prosperity you have every seen.
  - andsoitis 1y ago
    > I just skipped through the Colbert one but I didn't hear her say nothing would change. At the 30s mark: Colbert: “under a Harris administration, what would the changes be, and what would stay the same?” Harris: “sure, we’ll obviously I’m not Joe Biden, and so, uhm, that would be one change, but also it is important to say with 28 days to go I’m not Donald Trump and so when we think about the significance of what this next generation of leadership looks like were I to be elected president, it is about frankly, I love the American people…” So the only thing she said would change under Harrris administration is that she would be president, and then she deflected into aspirational outcomes with no specific ideas as to how to accomplish. Further, The View interview was on 10/8/2024 and the Colbert interview one day later. So she even had a chance to originate a recover from the “no change” statement.
deepfriedchokes 1y ago
IMO, these are emotional decisions, not rational, and often people aren’t aware of where those feelings originate, as they stem from the subconscious. IMHO, the elephant in the room is capitalism, but it’s like the church, so sacrosanct you aren’t allowed to question it, so instead people take their anger out on those with less power.

nitwit005 1y ago

The candidates certainly think this is true. Remember that Obama ran on the word "change". The "in you believe in" part was often in small text below, or completely omitted. Trump tried hard to be perceived as an outsider candidate when trying to return to office. Logically, that makes no sense, but I'm sure their research showed it was important.

kelipso 1y ago
Trump 2 admin did bring in a lot of outsiders including our beloved Musk and a bunch of other people from Silicon Valley too, and they got rid of a lot of people from the Trump 1 admin. So logically the outsider candidate thing did make sense.
- nitwit005 1y ago
  He didn't name Musk during the campaign. He presumably thought that'd hurt his chances.
  - kelipso 1y ago
    Musk campaigned for him pretty actively. I remember a "chance to win a million dollars if you vote" thing Musk ran in Pennsylvania that was controversial. I don't remember if Musk was part of the official campaign team though, probably not. There were a lot of outsiders, many from the tech scene, in his campaign though. Very obvious show of support from tech billionaires pre-election.

rsynnott 1y ago

> I did not, but I think a lot of people are so desperate for change that any change at some point is better than the status quo. This was a common argument in some of the poorest and most EU-dependent parts of the UK (these generally voted for Brexit). Well, they got change, alright.