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Who was the treaty signed with? It wasn’t the CCP.

lazide 1y ago
And you think it would be ‘protecting’ the people of Hong Kong to argue with the CCP about it? Lulz Or that it’s ever been about ‘protecting’ anyone when the British Crown fights anyone over territory? As compared to asserting ownership? Not to mention the UK nearly lost it’s fight with Argentina - it wouldn’t even be pissing in the wind to go to war with China over Hong Kong.
- mc32 1y ago
  How did Argentina “almost win” the Falklands war? I thought it was over almost before it started? Only thing that worked were some French missiles.
  - lazide 1y ago
    The UK had no ready means to replace their (far more significant than anyone expected) losses, and were at the very far end of their logistics chain. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War]. Which for the UK is crazy embarrassing. ‘Sun Never Sets on The British Empire’ and all. They lost 6 ships (including 2 destroyers and 2 frigates), 24 helicopters, and 10 fighters + 255 KIA in the debacle. If the french hadn’t disabled those missiles, it would have been an even bigger mess. Do you think the UK gov’t wants to admit they got saved by the French? If Argentina had their act even a little more together, or had even a little more commitment, there is nothing the UK could have done about it - except maybe nuke Buenos Aires. Which would probably have been a step too far, even for Thatcher. Argentina was expecting zero resistance and got embarrassed they lost ships and soldiers too, and pulled out because it was making the Argentinian gov’t look bad. But it was also really embarrassing for the UK. They had more losses there than they did fighting the Gulf War alongside the US. In fact, since Northern Ireland, it took Afghanistan to even come close - and that was over a period of 10 years compared to ~ 6 months. [https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6605529d91a320001182b1b2/UK_armed_forces_operational_deaths_post_World_War_2_2024.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6605529d91a32...]
budududuroiu 1y ago
Are you high? The handover of Hong Kong was signed between the UK and the PRC
- lazide 1y ago
  I suspect they’re referring to the 99 year lease the UK signed in 1898 with the Qing dynasty. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declarati...] As to how they think that has anything to do with their points, it doesn’t of course - and the UK agreed, which is why they left. Also, because it’s not like the UK had any other choice.
- lostlogin 1y ago
  I’m referring to the start of the agreement, not the end.
  - budududuroiu 1y ago
    Fair, but why does that matter? The UK voluntarily relinquished control and handed HK back to the PRC
    - lostlogin 1y ago
      It did and I don’t think it could have gone to anyone else, leaving the choice as giving it to China, or keeping it. The argument that it shouldn’t have gone to the CCP was one I heard from someone who lived there.
      - budududuroiu 1y ago
        Why not? The PRC is the successor state. It makes less sense to hand HK over to ROC because the ROC never had sovereignty over HK.
        lostlogin 1y ago
        Successor state by force, not by people’s choice. The small part that ended up democratic hasn’t chosen to join the PRC.

And you think it would be ‘protecting’ the people of Hong Kong to argue with the CCP about it? Lulz Or that it’s ever been about ‘protecting’ anyone when the British Crown fights anyone over territory? As compared to asserting ownership? Not to mention the UK nearly lost it’s fight with Argentina - it wouldn’t even be pissing in the wind to go to war with China over Hong Kong.

mc32 1y ago
How did Argentina “almost win” the Falklands war? I thought it was over almost before it started? Only thing that worked were some French missiles.
- lazide 1y ago
  The UK had no ready means to replace their (far more significant than anyone expected) losses, and were at the very far end of their logistics chain. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War]. Which for the UK is crazy embarrassing. ‘Sun Never Sets on The British Empire’ and all. They lost 6 ships (including 2 destroyers and 2 frigates), 24 helicopters, and 10 fighters + 255 KIA in the debacle. If the french hadn’t disabled those missiles, it would have been an even bigger mess. Do you think the UK gov’t wants to admit they got saved by the French? If Argentina had their act even a little more together, or had even a little more commitment, there is nothing the UK could have done about it - except maybe nuke Buenos Aires. Which would probably have been a step too far, even for Thatcher. Argentina was expecting zero resistance and got embarrassed they lost ships and soldiers too, and pulled out because it was making the Argentinian gov’t look bad. But it was also really embarrassing for the UK. They had more losses there than they did fighting the Gulf War alongside the US. In fact, since Northern Ireland, it took Afghanistan to even come close - and that was over a period of 10 years compared to ~ 6 months. [https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6605529d91a320001182b1b2/UK_armed_forces_operational_deaths_post_World_War_2_2024.pdf https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6605529d91a32...]

budududuroiu 1y ago

Are you high? The handover of Hong Kong was signed between the UK and the PRC

lazide 1y ago
I suspect they’re referring to the 99 year lease the UK signed in 1898 with the Qing dynasty. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declarati...] As to how they think that has anything to do with their points, it doesn’t of course - and the UK agreed, which is why they left. Also, because it’s not like the UK had any other choice.
lostlogin 1y ago
I’m referring to the start of the agreement, not the end.
- budududuroiu 1y ago
  Fair, but why does that matter? The UK voluntarily relinquished control and handed HK back to the PRC
  - lostlogin 1y ago
    It did and I don’t think it could have gone to anyone else, leaving the choice as giving it to China, or keeping it. The argument that it shouldn’t have gone to the CCP was one I heard from someone who lived there.
    - budududuroiu 1y ago
      Why not? The PRC is the successor state. It makes less sense to hand HK over to ROC because the ROC never had sovereignty over HK.
      - lostlogin 1y ago
        Successor state by force, not by people’s choice. The small part that ended up democratic hasn’t chosen to join the PRC.