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I wonder if I would really like to pour billions of taxpayer money into aging when we are not even able to live a basic healthy lifestyle. Sleeping well, eatin

I wonder if I would really like to pour billions of taxpayer money into aging when we are not even able to live a basic healthy lifestyle. Sleeping well, eating well and exercising does work. Science about this is well-established. So why arent we? It would not raise the life expectancy to 100 years but it would considerably reduce the health burden on the economy.

HeadsUpHigh 1y ago
>Sleeping well, eating well and exercising does work. Science about this is well-established. So why arent we? Those will give you at best another marginal decade. By all means worth doing but its not radical life extension. At the same time a young body can take lack of sleep and can physically perform even if not exercising much better than an old one. So there's more to it than just lifestyle.
- sdeframond 1y ago
  I would say it gives you +25 years of healthy lifespan. Compare it to being obese, wich can happen very young and is in part determined by how you are fed when you are a baby/child.
- carlosjobim 1y ago
  > Those will give you at best another marginal decade. Those will give you an entire life. Living while being healthy is an entirely different life than surviving while being unhealthy.
ACCount37 1y ago
Doesn't scale. If you could put "sleeping well, eating well and exercising" into a $0.25 once a week pill and make that available to everyone, it would work. As is, it doesn't. We want solutions that can be scaled and rolled out broadly, and "basic healthy lifestyle" ain't it.
- sdeframond 1y ago
  Why not? What is not scalable about it, specifically ? I mean, sure, it doesn't scale as well as a magic pill as a business. But is certainly is O(n) with the number of people involved.
  - waldohatesyou 1y ago
    The scaling challenge here comes from scaling across the various types of life situations and personality types out there. Some people work too much to be able to live a balance lifestyle. Other people just can’t summon the motivation. Either way, a pill would scale better across all these people.
  - ACCount37 1y ago
    The kind of solution that scales as "O(n) effect with the number of people involved", but isn't broadly implemented? It's usually at least O(n log n) on the effort required to actually involve those people. This vital input is the source of piss poor scaling in practice. Why? Because there's a massive variation in people. Everyone who finds it "very easy" to as much as "sleep well, eat well and exercise" already does just that, and the implementation difficulty ramp up gets brutal quickly. It's simple to suggest and hard to execute. Pharmaceutics are so valuable because they offer good sublinear scaling on many of the inputs. They're extremely hard to develop, but they're often well worth it, because the implementation scales in a way those "simple" solutions don't.
    - sdeframond 1y ago
      Pharmaceutics are so valuable because they can be sold. A healthy lifestyle must be earned. It is a constant struggle against the fastfood industry. Soon you'll see Coca-cola or Nestlé [0] selling both very unhealthy quasi-addictive food and drinks to kids and magic pills that cure obesity. Sounds scalable enough ? [0] https://www.nestle.com/brands/healthcare-nutrition/medical-nutrition?__cf_chl_tk=7T0CBaAHkBeIrCQYDWAdI5TytYaimhxps2ipc27SHHk-1756660492-1.0.1.1-Vm_pvvs3QwNs.OMD4WrCiSy57YnOXL0ITAli1w.qMAY https://www.nestle.com/brands/healthcare-nutrition/medical-n...
JumpinJack_Cash 1y ago
> Sleeping well, eating well and exercising does work. Science about this is well-established. So why arent we? Because although longevity is a nice recurrent idea for everyone in theory, when the rubber meets the road people routinely want to optimize time spent in living in pleasure. The pleasurable stuff is almost all about "YOLO!" in every domain. A candle that shines twice as bright ends up consuming itself twice as fast and all that

HeadsUpHigh 1y ago

>Sleeping well, eating well and exercising does work. Science about this is well-established. So why arent we? Those will give you at best another marginal decade. By all means worth doing but its not radical life extension. At the same time a young body can take lack of sleep and can physically perform even if not exercising much better than an old one. So there's more to it than just lifestyle.

sdeframond 1y ago
I would say it gives you +25 years of healthy lifespan. Compare it to being obese, wich can happen very young and is in part determined by how you are fed when you are a baby/child.
carlosjobim 1y ago
> Those will give you at best another marginal decade. Those will give you an entire life. Living while being healthy is an entirely different life than surviving while being unhealthy.

ACCount37 1y ago

Doesn't scale. If you could put "sleeping well, eating well and exercising" into a $0.25 once a week pill and make that available to everyone, it would work. As is, it doesn't. We want solutions that can be scaled and rolled out broadly, and "basic healthy lifestyle" ain't it.

sdeframond 1y ago
Why not? What is not scalable about it, specifically ? I mean, sure, it doesn't scale as well as a magic pill as a business. But is certainly is O(n) with the number of people involved.
- waldohatesyou 1y ago
  The scaling challenge here comes from scaling across the various types of life situations and personality types out there. Some people work too much to be able to live a balance lifestyle. Other people just can’t summon the motivation. Either way, a pill would scale better across all these people.
- ACCount37 1y ago
  The kind of solution that scales as "O(n) effect with the number of people involved", but isn't broadly implemented? It's usually at least O(n log n) on the effort required to actually involve those people. This vital input is the source of piss poor scaling in practice. Why? Because there's a massive variation in people. Everyone who finds it "very easy" to as much as "sleep well, eat well and exercise" already does just that, and the implementation difficulty ramp up gets brutal quickly. It's simple to suggest and hard to execute. Pharmaceutics are so valuable because they offer good sublinear scaling on many of the inputs. They're extremely hard to develop, but they're often well worth it, because the implementation scales in a way those "simple" solutions don't.
  - sdeframond 1y ago
    Pharmaceutics are so valuable because they can be sold. A healthy lifestyle must be earned. It is a constant struggle against the fastfood industry. Soon you'll see Coca-cola or Nestlé [0] selling both very unhealthy quasi-addictive food and drinks to kids and magic pills that cure obesity. Sounds scalable enough ? [0] https://www.nestle.com/brands/healthcare-nutrition/medical-nutrition?__cf_chl_tk=7T0CBaAHkBeIrCQYDWAdI5TytYaimhxps2ipc27SHHk-1756660492-1.0.1.1-Vm_pvvs3QwNs.OMD4WrCiSy57YnOXL0ITAli1w.qMAY https://www.nestle.com/brands/healthcare-nutrition/medical-n...

JumpinJack_Cash 1y ago

> Sleeping well, eating well and exercising does work. Science about this is well-established. So why arent we? Because although longevity is a nice recurrent idea for everyone in theory, when the rubber meets the road people routinely want to optimize time spent in living in pleasure. The pleasurable stuff is almost all about "YOLO!" in every domain. A candle that shines twice as bright ends up consuming itself twice as fast and all that