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I say let them be scammed. Idiocy only grows if it's not resisted. People don't learn if they don't see the consequences. Otherwise it'll just make society head

I say let them be scammed. Idiocy only grows if it's not resisted. People don't learn if they don't see the consequences. Otherwise it'll just make society head into an authoritarian socialist hellhole... not that it wasn't already going in that direction.

saagarjha 1y ago
People don't necessarily learn if they see consequences.
- userbinator 1y ago
  They definitely won't learn if they don't see consequences.
  - saagarjha 1y ago
    No, this is not true. It's definitely possible to educate people about security without them getting hacked.
scarface_74 1y ago
Yes there is a clear part from not being able to install what you want on your phone - even though you are free to buy a phone that you can - and authoritarianism. Did you know that you also can’t drive just anything on the highway and in some places you have to get your car inspected every year before you can drive it?
- matt_kantor 1y ago
  A key part of your analogy is "on the highway", where I am a danger to other people and public infrastructure. I'm allowed to build a wacky unsafe DIY car and drive it around my own property without getting permission from the government. In many scenarios I don't even need a driver's license. Bringing the analogy back around, maybe one could argue that if I let my phone get hacked such that it becomes part of a botnet or something then it is a danger to other people, but that's not the typical example. Usually these policies claim to be about protecting me from myself while using a device I own.
  - scarface_74 1y ago
    Yes and you are allowed to use Graphene and whatever “whacky” other open source alternative non Google Android OS’s that HN users always brag about.
- Der_Einzige 1y ago
  Become ungovernable. Works for the french
- userbinator 1y ago
  in some places ...but not in others. Which is why those who still have the freedom will continue fighting for it.

saagarjha 1y ago

People don't necessarily learn if they see consequences.

userbinator 1y ago
They definitely won't learn if they don't see consequences.
- saagarjha 1y ago
  No, this is not true. It's definitely possible to educate people about security without them getting hacked.

scarface_74 1y ago

Yes there is a clear part from not being able to install what you want on your phone - even though you are free to buy a phone that you can - and authoritarianism. Did you know that you also can’t drive just anything on the highway and in some places you have to get your car inspected every year before you can drive it?

matt_kantor 1y ago
A key part of your analogy is "on the highway", where I am a danger to other people and public infrastructure. I'm allowed to build a wacky unsafe DIY car and drive it around my own property without getting permission from the government. In many scenarios I don't even need a driver's license. Bringing the analogy back around, maybe one could argue that if I let my phone get hacked such that it becomes part of a botnet or something then it is a danger to other people, but that's not the typical example. Usually these policies claim to be about protecting me from myself while using a device I own.
- scarface_74 1y ago
  Yes and you are allowed to use Graphene and whatever “whacky” other open source alternative non Google Android OS’s that HN users always brag about.
Der_Einzige 1y ago
Become ungovernable. Works for the french
userbinator 1y ago
in some places ...but not in others. Which is why those who still have the freedom will continue fighting for it.