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I would be interested in hearing what you think socialism means in practice or policy, because your description of the result perfectly matches the capitalist e

I would be interested in hearing what you think socialism means in practice or policy, because your description of the result perfectly matches the capitalist economy we are living in right now.

jalapenos 1y ago
I think the problem with you premise is calling what you're living in a capitalist economy. You live in a mixed economy. I recommend you read the Communist Manifesto and check which items on its planned list could be reasonably claimed as actually having been done in the society you live in. My conceptualisation of socialism is the property rights concept as presented by actual monkeys. He who possesses possesses, and he who does not is to dispossess the latter of such if his force allows. In the modern era, this is: he who can, by sufficient narcissism and IQ, explain why other's fruits of their labor and risk taking is actually "theft", such that he can indirectly participate in a competing form of (true) theft himself.
- AngryData 1y ago
  I have read it, im not sure what your point is? The workers in the US do not own the means of production, labor rights are exceedingly poor compared to any peer countries, and it is even illegal to strike in solidarity with other workers unions. There are also many restrictions on how unions can be formed and utilized, some industries have to get government approval for a strike, our legal system is heavily biased towards capital, and our political system is largely based on who can raise the most capital for elections or bribe the most politicians for favors. Im completely missing where average workers have significant control in either economic or political decisions that would make it socialist or communist or anything other than capitalist controlled.
  - jalapenos 1y ago
    I'm interested in the following answer from you: why is it that there is then such high economic immigration into the US to the extent that people will take trips through the Darien gap at great personal risk and expense, often from Latin American socialist paradises like Venezuela, to illegally enter the US to subject themselves to this labor horror you describe? Is it possible what you parrot is an ideology taught to you by twisted university dwelling goblins for their own benefit, to taking advantage of an us/them anger that actually has ultimately stemmed from childhood issues, rather than something you've reasoned yourself from first principles?
    - AngryData 1y ago
      I fail to see what your question has to do with the topic at hand or anything I said. Poor labor rights is a fact regardless of the value of the US dollar on the world market. The US does not represent a socialist economic system in any significant way. People also go through great lengths to get into the Chinese market, or escape any number of other poor economies across the globe. That doesn't make the places they are going automatically good or right or socialist or capitalist.

I would be interested in hearing what you think socialism means in practice or policy, because your description of the result perfectly matches the capitalist economy we are living in right now.

jalapenos 1y ago

I think the problem with you premise is calling what you're living in a capitalist economy. You live in a mixed economy. I recommend you read the Communist Manifesto and check which items on its planned list could be reasonably claimed as actually having been done in the society you live in. My conceptualisation of socialism is the property rights concept as presented by actual monkeys. He who possesses possesses, and he who does not is to dispossess the latter of such if his force allows. In the modern era, this is: he who can, by sufficient narcissism and IQ, explain why other's fruits of their labor and risk taking is actually "theft", such that he can indirectly participate in a competing form of (true) theft himself.

AngryData 1y ago
I have read it, im not sure what your point is? The workers in the US do not own the means of production, labor rights are exceedingly poor compared to any peer countries, and it is even illegal to strike in solidarity with other workers unions. There are also many restrictions on how unions can be formed and utilized, some industries have to get government approval for a strike, our legal system is heavily biased towards capital, and our political system is largely based on who can raise the most capital for elections or bribe the most politicians for favors. Im completely missing where average workers have significant control in either economic or political decisions that would make it socialist or communist or anything other than capitalist controlled.
- jalapenos 1y ago
  I'm interested in the following answer from you: why is it that there is then such high economic immigration into the US to the extent that people will take trips through the Darien gap at great personal risk and expense, often from Latin American socialist paradises like Venezuela, to illegally enter the US to subject themselves to this labor horror you describe? Is it possible what you parrot is an ideology taught to you by twisted university dwelling goblins for their own benefit, to taking advantage of an us/them anger that actually has ultimately stemmed from childhood issues, rather than something you've reasoned yourself from first principles?
  - AngryData 1y ago
    I fail to see what your question has to do with the topic at hand or anything I said. Poor labor rights is a fact regardless of the value of the US dollar on the world market. The US does not represent a socialist economic system in any significant way. People also go through great lengths to get into the Chinese market, or escape any number of other poor economies across the globe. That doesn't make the places they are going automatically good or right or socialist or capitalist.