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Would say a Bernie Sanders style "free university, free healthcare" program be considered an infrastructure project in the US? And yes, society only moves forw

Would say a Bernie Sanders style "free university, free healthcare" program be considered an infrastructure project in the US? And yes, society only moves forward due to a small number of leaders. In the past this has been more focused on state leaders and conquest, but in the modern day more so industrialists and technologists. It's not controversial that the vast majority of people just want to be provided a comfortable lot in life by others.

wredcoll 1y ago
Yes, free university and free healthcare are infrastructure. We already have free highschools after all. What's the moral difference between the government building a road that I get to drive on "for free" and building a hospital I get to go to "for free"? > It's not controversial that the vast majority of people just want to be provided a comfortable lot in life by others. It's not controversial in the same way that saying the earth is flat isn't controversial, it's just wrong. Society "moves forward" because every day that passes there are literally billions of humans working to build/harvest/grow/research/construct/etc different things. Nobody actually believes e.g. elon musk is out there putting rocketships together, right? President kennedy said "lets go to the moon" then he went back to the white house to attend state dinners and sleep with whoever came near. Ten thousand nasa employees went to work every day and actually built rocketships. (The generic argument here is something like "well elon musk gave them money to build rocketships" except then you have to ask where musk got the money to give to other people in the first place and the argument rapidly breaks down)
- xorcist 1y ago
  Yet free military, completely socialized and completely state funded, is completely unproblematic. It's even in such high organizational regard that it is usually considered a merit to have made a career there, even in the private sector. That should teach us that we can't look at soeciety from some sort of logical principles. It bears all the markings of sociologically created in-groups, or as the kids would put it, "identity politics". It doesn't have to make sense.
6510 1y ago
> society only moves forward due to a small number of leaders LOL edit: In English it some how makes sense to use a word like "progress" without defining whereto. It isn't very sophisticated.

wredcoll 1y ago

Yes, free university and free healthcare are infrastructure. We already have free highschools after all. What's the moral difference between the government building a road that I get to drive on "for free" and building a hospital I get to go to "for free"? > It's not controversial that the vast majority of people just want to be provided a comfortable lot in life by others. It's not controversial in the same way that saying the earth is flat isn't controversial, it's just wrong. Society "moves forward" because every day that passes there are literally billions of humans working to build/harvest/grow/research/construct/etc different things. Nobody actually believes e.g. elon musk is out there putting rocketships together, right? President kennedy said "lets go to the moon" then he went back to the white house to attend state dinners and sleep with whoever came near. Ten thousand nasa employees went to work every day and actually built rocketships. (The generic argument here is something like "well elon musk gave them money to build rocketships" except then you have to ask where musk got the money to give to other people in the first place and the argument rapidly breaks down)

xorcist 1y ago
Yet free military, completely socialized and completely state funded, is completely unproblematic. It's even in such high organizational regard that it is usually considered a merit to have made a career there, even in the private sector. That should teach us that we can't look at soeciety from some sort of logical principles. It bears all the markings of sociologically created in-groups, or as the kids would put it, "identity politics". It doesn't have to make sense.

6510 1y ago

> society only moves forward due to a small number of leaders LOL edit: In English it some how makes sense to use a word like "progress" without defining whereto. It isn't very sophisticated.