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What do you think about Monty Python and their religious mockery then? Is it the religious mockery that bothers you or something else? Religion should not be

What do you think about Monty Python and their religious mockery then? Is it the religious mockery that bothers you or something else? Religion should not be off limits to mockery, satire, etc

pyuser583 1y ago
Depends on how well it’s done. Monty Python’s religious mockery varies a lot. Some is quirky and insightful, but much is just dumb. It’s a bit of an unfair question to ask, because the Pythons are competing with A Clockwork Orange, not to mention Oscar Wilde, Alexander Pope, and Chaucer. English religious mockery is a crowded market - even Thomas More took part. But this wasn’t even religious mockery. They weren’t actually mocking anybody directly. They were doing it very indirectly by supporting a group that is by itself is perfectly legitimate, but goes out of its way to offend others by its practices. But it doesn’t seem the group actually did anything offensive. They supposed to be edgy by their mere presence. It’s religious mockery by proxy, which isn’t funny or insightful. From the description, it doesn’t seem anybody was laughing. Certainly not the audience (us).
- vlovich123 1y ago
  You’re being pretty confidently dismissive about the religious validity of Satanists for someone claiming religious offense. The Satan of the Bible isn’t that dissimilar from Heaphestus - a divine being that gave humanity something the gods reserved for themselves so we could better our lot in life ourselves. Just because Christians decided to make him an evil figure, doesn’t mean everyone else has to agree, especially since Satan is responsible for punishing the evil souls sent to Hell which seems like a righteous mission.
  - yahoozoo 1y ago
    > Just because Christians decided to make him an evil figure The Old Testament predates Christianity. > especially since Satan is responsible for punishing the evil souls sent to Hell which seems like a righteous mission The Bible doesn’t say anything about Satan’s responsibilities. You’re probably referring to fanfic works, such as Milton or Dante.
    - bryanrasmussen 1y ago
      The Bible does seem to imply some responsibilities of Satan however, mainly to tempt people to deny God in some way.
    - pyuser583 1y ago
      The main sources for Satan are Genesis, Job, the temptation narratives, and Revelations. The show very different behavior. But outside Genesis, it’s hard to support a Prometheus narrative. The bet made with God in regards to Job is not very empowering to humans.
  - bryanrasmussen 1y ago
    it sounds to me like you're confusing Hephaestus with Prometheus? If not, what is it that he gave us the gods reserved for themselves?
    - card_zero 1y ago
      I guess the connection is via Pandora and her box (or pithos, which like Pandora was also made by Hephaestus), a story that resembles Eve and her apple.
  - pyuser583 1y ago
    I’m not dismissing them at all. They’re a legit religious group. But I don’t think they’re throwing satanic parties to grow appeal among satanists, or because some of their employees happen to be Satanists - the two reasons companies embrace religious celebrations. Maybe I’m wrong - maybe they’re trying to brand their movie “The Witch” as a modern Satanist movie, and get a built in audience. Maybe. What’s more likely is they are trying to be edgy. And they failed. Inviting a bunch of Satanists as a marketing ploy is boring. It’s like something out of marketing satire. I’m reminded of how Silicon Valley lampooned Satanism the way Monty Python lampooned Christianity. It’s not offensive. It’s just boring.
  - pyuser583 1y ago
    Could you clarify whether you meant Prometheus or Hephaestus? Hephaestus is traditionally described as a “fallen God living under Mt. Olympus.” Not evil, but the most imperfect - although not weakest - of all the Gods. Also, as a master craftsman, he was called upon to build things other gods destroyed. That’s Homer’s take. The Roman Virgil saw him very different. I had assumed when you said Hephaestus, you meant Hephaestus, but another commenter pointed out you may have meant Prometheus.

What do you think about Monty Python and their religious mockery then? Is it the religious mockery that bothers you or something else? Religion should not be off limits to mockery, satire, etc

pyuser583 1y ago

Depends on how well it’s done. Monty Python’s religious mockery varies a lot. Some is quirky and insightful, but much is just dumb. It’s a bit of an unfair question to ask, because the Pythons are competing with A Clockwork Orange, not to mention Oscar Wilde, Alexander Pope, and Chaucer. English religious mockery is a crowded market - even Thomas More took part. But this wasn’t even religious mockery. They weren’t actually mocking anybody directly. They were doing it very indirectly by supporting a group that is by itself is perfectly legitimate, but goes out of its way to offend others by its practices. But it doesn’t seem the group actually did anything offensive. They supposed to be edgy by their mere presence. It’s religious mockery by proxy, which isn’t funny or insightful. From the description, it doesn’t seem anybody was laughing. Certainly not the audience (us).

vlovich123 1y ago
You’re being pretty confidently dismissive about the religious validity of Satanists for someone claiming religious offense. The Satan of the Bible isn’t that dissimilar from Heaphestus - a divine being that gave humanity something the gods reserved for themselves so we could better our lot in life ourselves. Just because Christians decided to make him an evil figure, doesn’t mean everyone else has to agree, especially since Satan is responsible for punishing the evil souls sent to Hell which seems like a righteous mission.
- yahoozoo 1y ago
  > Just because Christians decided to make him an evil figure The Old Testament predates Christianity. > especially since Satan is responsible for punishing the evil souls sent to Hell which seems like a righteous mission The Bible doesn’t say anything about Satan’s responsibilities. You’re probably referring to fanfic works, such as Milton or Dante.
  - bryanrasmussen 1y ago
    The Bible does seem to imply some responsibilities of Satan however, mainly to tempt people to deny God in some way.
  - pyuser583 1y ago
    The main sources for Satan are Genesis, Job, the temptation narratives, and Revelations. The show very different behavior. But outside Genesis, it’s hard to support a Prometheus narrative. The bet made with God in regards to Job is not very empowering to humans.
- bryanrasmussen 1y ago
  it sounds to me like you're confusing Hephaestus with Prometheus? If not, what is it that he gave us the gods reserved for themselves?
  - card_zero 1y ago
    I guess the connection is via Pandora and her box (or pithos, which like Pandora was also made by Hephaestus), a story that resembles Eve and her apple.
- pyuser583 1y ago
  I’m not dismissing them at all. They’re a legit religious group. But I don’t think they’re throwing satanic parties to grow appeal among satanists, or because some of their employees happen to be Satanists - the two reasons companies embrace religious celebrations. Maybe I’m wrong - maybe they’re trying to brand their movie “The Witch” as a modern Satanist movie, and get a built in audience. Maybe. What’s more likely is they are trying to be edgy. And they failed. Inviting a bunch of Satanists as a marketing ploy is boring. It’s like something out of marketing satire. I’m reminded of how Silicon Valley lampooned Satanism the way Monty Python lampooned Christianity. It’s not offensive. It’s just boring.
- pyuser583 1y ago
  Could you clarify whether you meant Prometheus or Hephaestus? Hephaestus is traditionally described as a “fallen God living under Mt. Olympus.” Not evil, but the most imperfect - although not weakest - of all the Gods. Also, as a master craftsman, he was called upon to build things other gods destroyed. That’s Homer’s take. The Roman Virgil saw him very different. I had assumed when you said Hephaestus, you meant Hephaestus, but another commenter pointed out you may have meant Prometheus.