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The tariffs this time are far in excess of anything he did previously or promised to do while running for office again and took nearly everyone by surprise thou

The tariffs this time are far in excess of anything he did previously or promised to do while running for office again and took nearly everyone by surprise though.

denismi 1y ago
This pre-election BBC summary - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy343z53l1o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy343z53l1o - pretty clearly spells out what has eventuated, describing it as a "central campaign pledge": > Trump has made tariffs a central campaign pledge in order to protect US industry. He has proposed new 10-20% tariffs on most imported foreign goods, and much higher ones on those from China.
- trebligdivad 1y ago
  I don't think there's that much surprise at the tariffs on China; it's the tariffs on the rest of the world, especially friendly countries like Canada that are the big surprises. Also, who believes politicians campaign pledges?
  - thunderfork 1y ago
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  - burnerthrow008 1y ago
    > Also, who believes politicians campaign pledges? Only all the people who voted for them and all the people who voted against them?
    - rusk 1y ago
      US elections have a shockingly low turnout compared to other countries so not the affirmative you were hoping for
    - dgfitz 1y ago
      Maybe if Harris had made a few she would have won…
      - const_cast 1y ago
        She did, everyone just sort of... pretended she didn't. So they could have plausible deniability for voting for Trump. See also: Harris is an elite! (Trump is more elite), Trump knows business (he's a pretty bad business man), Harris did nothing in office! (She was VP), Trump is the underdog! (He's literally already been president)
        dgfitz 1y ago
        She did? What was her platform? I never did figure it out.
        nobody9999 1y ago
        https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/08/politics/kamala-harris-key-issues-dg/ https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/08/politics/kamala-harr... https://www.deseret.com/politics/2024/09/09/harris-policy-platform-trump-policies/ https://www.deseret.com/politics/2024/09/09/harris-policy-pl... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-harris-campaign-promises-2024-election/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-harris-campaign-promises-... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/08/08/kamala-harris-policy-agenda/74703435007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/... All of the above were posted prior to the 2024 election.
        dgfitz 1y ago
        The second paragraph of your first link: “ However, she has not provided many details on her plans” Edit: did you read these links? “ The American people lacked any concrete policy positions from the presumptive, and then official, Democratic presidential candidate for seven weeks following President Joe Biden’s withdrawal from the 2024 presidential race. Despite the absence of clarity on key issues, Vice President Kamala Harris quickly rose in the polls compared to Biden”
  - verzali 1y ago
    Why on Earth not? Didn't people pay attention during his first term? This was 100% predictable.
    - macintux 1y ago
      The key difference seems to be that this time: * Groups like Project 2025 spent years preparing an assault on our legal system * This time Trump populated his administration with sycophants from day 1, instead of starting out with establishment figures * The GOP has spent the last 8 years reconfiguring themselves into supplication This time, Trump is fully unhinged and unfettered, and he knows the legal peril he faces if the White House isn’t GOP-held for the rest of his life.
      - mindslight 1y ago
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      - southernplaces7 1y ago
        >and he knows the legal peril he faces if the White House isn’t GOP-held for the rest of his life. This combined with the utter self-emasculation of the Republican Party to Trump's incoherent, or at best self-serving, garbage is the most worrisome thing of all.
  - dml2135 1y ago
    > Also, who believes politicians campaign pledges? People who actually understand politics and who realize that the extent to which politicians keep their campaign pledges is usually related to how their parties end up performing in the legislature, rather than just being dishonest.
- esseph 1y ago
  That is not the 40-60-200% tariffs he has placed on things, depending on the day of the week. That uncertainty makes it very hard to manufacture goods or buy raw materials.
  - donalhunt 1y ago
    It also disrupts JIT supply chains. Companies make decisions with certain variables not being volatile. You now have a situation where one week the cost of a commodity is X and the following week it could be 2X. The butterfly effect across industries also cannot be predicted. Many industries also seem to be still recovering from the pandemic period with supply of spare parts still being de-prioritised over making parts available for new units. :/
jibal 1y ago
It didn't take informed people by surprise. We still see people denying that Trump had anything to do with Project 2025, whereas honest informed people knew that he very much did.
- mattmaroon 1y ago
  Nobody informed saw massive tariffs on India, Brazil, etc. If you were right the stock market wouldn’t have tanked because the smart money would have priced it in.
  - r2_pilot 1y ago
    Maybe the smart money shorted on the tank. After all, if you know there's going to be a downturn in a known time period that's a smart move. I believe it's worth analyzing who sold what and when, if not for insider trading, then at least for historical knowledge.
  - cmurf 1y ago
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The tariffs this time are far in excess of anything he did previously or promised to do while running for office again and took nearly everyone by surprise though.

denismi 1y ago

This pre-election BBC summary - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy343z53l1o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cwy343z53l1o - pretty clearly spells out what has eventuated, describing it as a "central campaign pledge": > Trump has made tariffs a central campaign pledge in order to protect US industry. He has proposed new 10-20% tariffs on most imported foreign goods, and much higher ones on those from China.

trebligdivad 1y ago
I don't think there's that much surprise at the tariffs on China; it's the tariffs on the rest of the world, especially friendly countries like Canada that are the big surprises. Also, who believes politicians campaign pledges?
- thunderfork 1y ago
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- burnerthrow008 1y ago
  > Also, who believes politicians campaign pledges? Only all the people who voted for them and all the people who voted against them?
  - rusk 1y ago
    US elections have a shockingly low turnout compared to other countries so not the affirmative you were hoping for
  - dgfitz 1y ago
    Maybe if Harris had made a few she would have won…
    - const_cast 1y ago
      She did, everyone just sort of... pretended she didn't. So they could have plausible deniability for voting for Trump. See also: Harris is an elite! (Trump is more elite), Trump knows business (he's a pretty bad business man), Harris did nothing in office! (She was VP), Trump is the underdog! (He's literally already been president)
      - dgfitz 1y ago
        She did? What was her platform? I never did figure it out.
        nobody9999 1y ago
        https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/08/politics/kamala-harris-key-issues-dg/ https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/08/politics/kamala-harr... https://www.deseret.com/politics/2024/09/09/harris-policy-platform-trump-policies/ https://www.deseret.com/politics/2024/09/09/harris-policy-pl... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-harris-campaign-promises-2024-election/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-harris-campaign-promises-... https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/08/08/kamala-harris-policy-agenda/74703435007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/... All of the above were posted prior to the 2024 election.
        dgfitz 1y ago
        The second paragraph of your first link: “ However, she has not provided many details on her plans” Edit: did you read these links? “ The American people lacked any concrete policy positions from the presumptive, and then official, Democratic presidential candidate for seven weeks following President Joe Biden’s withdrawal from the 2024 presidential race. Despite the absence of clarity on key issues, Vice President Kamala Harris quickly rose in the polls compared to Biden”
- verzali 1y ago
  Why on Earth not? Didn't people pay attention during his first term? This was 100% predictable.
  - macintux 1y ago
    The key difference seems to be that this time: * Groups like Project 2025 spent years preparing an assault on our legal system * This time Trump populated his administration with sycophants from day 1, instead of starting out with establishment figures * The GOP has spent the last 8 years reconfiguring themselves into supplication This time, Trump is fully unhinged and unfettered, and he knows the legal peril he faces if the White House isn’t GOP-held for the rest of his life.
    - mindslight 1y ago
      [dead]
    - southernplaces7 1y ago
      >and he knows the legal peril he faces if the White House isn’t GOP-held for the rest of his life. This combined with the utter self-emasculation of the Republican Party to Trump's incoherent, or at best self-serving, garbage is the most worrisome thing of all.
- dml2135 1y ago
  > Also, who believes politicians campaign pledges? People who actually understand politics and who realize that the extent to which politicians keep their campaign pledges is usually related to how their parties end up performing in the legislature, rather than just being dishonest.
esseph 1y ago
That is not the 40-60-200% tariffs he has placed on things, depending on the day of the week. That uncertainty makes it very hard to manufacture goods or buy raw materials.
- donalhunt 1y ago
  It also disrupts JIT supply chains. Companies make decisions with certain variables not being volatile. You now have a situation where one week the cost of a commodity is X and the following week it could be 2X. The butterfly effect across industries also cannot be predicted. Many industries also seem to be still recovering from the pandemic period with supply of spare parts still being de-prioritised over making parts available for new units. :/

jibal 1y ago

It didn't take informed people by surprise. We still see people denying that Trump had anything to do with Project 2025, whereas honest informed people knew that he very much did.

mattmaroon 1y ago
Nobody informed saw massive tariffs on India, Brazil, etc. If you were right the stock market wouldn’t have tanked because the smart money would have priced it in.
- r2_pilot 1y ago
  Maybe the smart money shorted on the tank. After all, if you know there's going to be a downturn in a known time period that's a smart move. I believe it's worth analyzing who sold what and when, if not for insider trading, then at least for historical knowledge.
- cmurf 1y ago
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