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Trump is even using Tariff threats to strong-arm other countries to retreat on their climate goals [1]. If the Supreme Court agrees that the Trump can do this t

Trump is even using Tariff threats to strong-arm other countries to retreat on their climate goals [1]. If the Supreme Court agrees that the Trump can do this then that means we have a dictator — one that will do way more harm than the one in North Korea. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/27/climate/trump-international-pressure-climate-oil.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/27/climate/trump-internation...

alex1138 1y ago
How can you possibly do more harm than the one in NK, literally starving your population?
- breadwinner 1y ago
  The one in NK is doing that only to his own country. Trump is destroying the whole planet by withdrawing from the Paris agreement and then by strong-arming other countries to do the same. If we haven't already passed the tipping point Trump's actions will make sure we do, destroying all hope.
  - deleted 1y ago
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  - EasyMark 1y ago
    Bah, India and China are pumping out way more pollutants than the USA. If you're going to bring the USA up, bring them all up. They all need to get their act together. Europe to a lesser extent but at least they're trying.
- FridayoLeary 1y ago
  Also trumps a fascist and NK is communist so the logic is inconsistent.
  - ronsor 1y ago
    No one cares about "fascism" or "communism"; these labels distract from the root of the problem: authoritarianism. Mind you, without excessive power and authority, neither hardcore fascists nor hardcore communists can do that much.
  - AngryData 1y ago
    So NK workers own or control the means of production?
    - FridayoLeary 1y ago
      That's not communism. They are all oppressed, impoverished and dehumanised by the mechanism of the state. Like China and the Soviet union.
      - const_cast 1y ago
        You can't just redefine communism to mean "bad thing" and then say "see? Communism bad!" Communism has a real definition. NK is not communist. China is not communist either.
        FridayoLeary 1y ago
        At this stage communism has been tried and failed so many times that it's silly to conclude that it isn't inherently evil. It's just hubris to think you could do it better yourself.
        const_cast 1y ago
        This is a different belief. You can believe communism is evil. You can't believe communism is evil because you just attribute everything evil to communism. That's just bad reasoning. Like, really really bad reasoning. Like, I think most small children have higher reasoning capabilities than that.
        triceratops 1y ago
- vkou 1y ago
  Nobody outside of SK, NK, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Of The People's Republic of China seriously two figs about anything that happens in NK. The country could get hit by a meteor tomorrow, and nobody else would notice.
  - alex1138 1y ago
    I give two figs about it, the guy should be arrested
eclipticplane 1y ago
Don't forget tariffs in response to countries enforcing their own laws against an attempted military coup. We're paying higher prices on coffee because President Trump's friend is being charged with trying to overthrow the Brazilian government. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/trump-brazilian-products-tariffs-bolsonaro-rcna222534 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/trump-...
- breadwinner 1y ago
  Ans tariffs in response to India not nominating Trump for Nobel peace prize! https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/30/us/politics/trump-modi-india.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/30/us/politics/trump-modi-in...
throwcap 1y ago
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kragen 1y ago
The Paris agreement was very important when renewable energy required state subsidies, but it is no longer necessary. Fossil-fuel power is no longer economically competitive without subsidies thanks to (largely Chinese) improvements in the costs of solar panels and the necessary power electronics. Over a few decades, solar-powered energy superabundance will reduce the costs of atmospheric carbon capture to the point where even private charity can handle it. On https://www.solarserver.de/photovoltaik-preis-pv-modul-preisindex/ https://www.solarserver.de/photovoltaik-preis-pv-modul-preis... you can see that mainstream solar panels have returned to their all-time low price of €0.100 per peak watt from November, while low-cost solar panels have fallen to a new all-time low of €0.055 per peak watt, an all-time low first achieved last month, and a 21% decline from a year ago. The "mainstream" category price is down 17% from a year ago. This is driving down the prices of complementary products and enabling new low-cost installation methods that would have been unthinkable just a few years ago. Because it's so astoundingly cheap, last year China installed 277 GW(p) of solar power generation capacity: https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=65064 https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=65064. This compares to a total electrical generation capacity in the US of 1189 GW, albeit with a higher capacity factor: https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-in-the-us-generation-capacity-and-sales.php https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-.... This year the projection is that China will have installed another 380 GW of solar capacity, giving it more solar electrical generation capacity than the US has total electrical generation capacity from all sources: https://www.pv-magazine.com/2025/07/10/china-on-track-to-deploy-380-gw-of-pv-in-2025/ https://www.pv-magazine.com/2025/07/10/china-on-track-to-dep... Consequently we're seeing reports that, for Chinese AI startups, energy is a "solved problem", while US companies worry they'll be unable to get enough energy to compete: https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/ai-experts-warn-that-china-is-miles-ahead-of-the-us-in-electricity-generation-lack-of-supply-and-infrastructure-threatens-the-uss-long-term-ai-plans https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell.... This is one of the most historically important things happening in the world today, but it's surprisingly little known even among people who are otherwise well informed. Even if Trump could strong-arm other rich countries into imposing US-style prohibitive tariffs on Chinese solar panels, he certainly won't strong-arm China, so the cat is out of the bag; that would just make those countries economically uncompetitive with Chinese products produced with superabundant solar energy. And panels are already being mass-produced overseas with Chinese technology at prices fossil fuels can't compete with.
hereme888 1y ago
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- LeafItAlone 1y ago
  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/30/us/politics/trump-modi-india.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/30/us/politics/trump-modi-in...
- LeafItAlone 1y ago
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  - hereme888 1y ago
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    - AngryData 1y ago
      Seeing reality as it is doesn't make it black and white or blind. The dude hocked beans out of the White House for personal profit.
    - LeafItAlone 1y ago
      Actually, that’s what called an evidence-based conclusion. I know evidence and science have really taken a plunge in our federal government these past few months, but we can still use them on HN.
      - hereme888 1y ago
        So how come "half the country" (millions of people) support and appreciate the tariff ordeal due to its positive economic impact in their personal lives? They're not Trump's friends or family. You have the wrong evidence and conclusion.
EasyMark 1y ago
He's a very simple-minded person with a hammer that up til now (court case) seemed to be working. He doesn't understand nuance or negotiation or any of that, he understands having the upper hand (military, economic power) and how to bludgeon people with it. That's why when he comes up against similar sized bullies (Putin/Xi) he is flummoxed and beaten every single time because they're much more cunning than him. Sure, he can bully Laos or Thailand and get deals, but the big dogs beat him every time.

alex1138 1y ago

How can you possibly do more harm than the one in NK, literally starving your population?

breadwinner 1y ago
The one in NK is doing that only to his own country. Trump is destroying the whole planet by withdrawing from the Paris agreement and then by strong-arming other countries to do the same. If we haven't already passed the tipping point Trump's actions will make sure we do, destroying all hope.
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- EasyMark 1y ago
  Bah, India and China are pumping out way more pollutants than the USA. If you're going to bring the USA up, bring them all up. They all need to get their act together. Europe to a lesser extent but at least they're trying.
FridayoLeary 1y ago
Also trumps a fascist and NK is communist so the logic is inconsistent.
- ronsor 1y ago
  No one cares about "fascism" or "communism"; these labels distract from the root of the problem: authoritarianism. Mind you, without excessive power and authority, neither hardcore fascists nor hardcore communists can do that much.
- AngryData 1y ago
  So NK workers own or control the means of production?
  - FridayoLeary 1y ago
    That's not communism. They are all oppressed, impoverished and dehumanised by the mechanism of the state. Like China and the Soviet union.
    - const_cast 1y ago
      You can't just redefine communism to mean "bad thing" and then say "see? Communism bad!" Communism has a real definition. NK is not communist. China is not communist either.
      - FridayoLeary 1y ago
        At this stage communism has been tried and failed so many times that it's silly to conclude that it isn't inherently evil. It's just hubris to think you could do it better yourself.
        const_cast 1y ago
        This is a different belief. You can believe communism is evil. You can't believe communism is evil because you just attribute everything evil to communism. That's just bad reasoning. Like, really really bad reasoning. Like, I think most small children have higher reasoning capabilities than that.
        triceratops 1y ago
vkou 1y ago
Nobody outside of SK, NK, and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Of The People's Republic of China seriously two figs about anything that happens in NK. The country could get hit by a meteor tomorrow, and nobody else would notice.
- alex1138 1y ago
  I give two figs about it, the guy should be arrested

eclipticplane 1y ago

Don't forget tariffs in response to countries enforcing their own laws against an attempted military coup. We're paying higher prices on coffee because President Trump's friend is being charged with trying to overthrow the Brazilian government. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/trump-brazilian-products-tariffs-bolsonaro-rcna222534 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/trump-...

breadwinner 1y ago
Ans tariffs in response to India not nominating Trump for Nobel peace prize! https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/30/us/politics/trump-modi-india.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/30/us/politics/trump-modi-in...

throwcap 1y ago

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kragen 1y ago

The Paris agreement was very important when renewable energy required state subsidies, but it is no longer necessary. Fossil-fuel power is no longer economically competitive without subsidies thanks to (largely Chinese) improvements in the costs of solar panels and the necessary power electronics. Over a few decades, solar-powered energy superabundance will reduce the costs of atmospheric carbon capture to the point where even private charity can handle it. On https://www.solarserver.de/photovoltaik-preis-pv-modul-preisindex/ https://www.solarserver.de/photovoltaik-preis-pv-modul-preis... you can see that mainstream solar panels have returned to their all-time low price of €0.100 per peak watt from November, while low-cost solar panels have fallen to a new all-time low of €0.055 per peak watt, an all-time low first achieved last month, and a 21% decline from a year ago. The "mainstream" category price is down 17% from a year ago. This is driving down the prices of complementary products and enabling new low-cost installation methods that would have been unthinkable just a few years ago. Because it's so astoundingly cheap, last year China installed 277 GW(p) of solar power generation capacity: https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=65064 https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=65064. This compares to a total electrical generation capacity in the US of 1189 GW, albeit with a higher capacity factor: https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-in-the-us-generation-capacity-and-sales.php https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-.... This year the projection is that China will have installed another 380 GW of solar capacity, giving it more solar electrical generation capacity than the US has total electrical generation capacity from all sources: https://www.pv-magazine.com/2025/07/10/china-on-track-to-deploy-380-gw-of-pv-in-2025/ https://www.pv-magazine.com/2025/07/10/china-on-track-to-dep... Consequently we're seeing reports that, for Chinese AI startups, energy is a "solved problem", while US companies worry they'll be unable to get enough energy to compete: https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/ai-experts-warn-that-china-is-miles-ahead-of-the-us-in-electricity-generation-lack-of-supply-and-infrastructure-threatens-the-uss-long-term-ai-plans https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intell.... This is one of the most historically important things happening in the world today, but it's surprisingly little known even among people who are otherwise well informed. Even if Trump could strong-arm other rich countries into imposing US-style prohibitive tariffs on Chinese solar panels, he certainly won't strong-arm China, so the cat is out of the bag; that would just make those countries economically uncompetitive with Chinese products produced with superabundant solar energy. And panels are already being mass-produced overseas with Chinese technology at prices fossil fuels can't compete with.

hereme888 1y ago

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LeafItAlone 1y ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/30/us/politics/trump-modi-india.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/30/us/politics/trump-modi-in...
LeafItAlone 1y ago
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- hereme888 1y ago
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  - AngryData 1y ago
    Seeing reality as it is doesn't make it black and white or blind. The dude hocked beans out of the White House for personal profit.
  - LeafItAlone 1y ago
    Actually, that’s what called an evidence-based conclusion. I know evidence and science have really taken a plunge in our federal government these past few months, but we can still use them on HN.
    - hereme888 1y ago
      So how come "half the country" (millions of people) support and appreciate the tariff ordeal due to its positive economic impact in their personal lives? They're not Trump's friends or family. You have the wrong evidence and conclusion.

EasyMark 1y ago

He's a very simple-minded person with a hammer that up til now (court case) seemed to be working. He doesn't understand nuance or negotiation or any of that, he understands having the upper hand (military, economic power) and how to bludgeon people with it. That's why when he comes up against similar sized bullies (Putin/Xi) he is flummoxed and beaten every single time because they're much more cunning than him. Sure, he can bully Laos or Thailand and get deals, but the big dogs beat him every time.