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Linux Foundation's New Banned Words: Hung, Pow-Wow, & Sanity Check

_knzv 1y ago
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jleyank 1y ago
I assume parent/child is ok? To me, values is not a synonym for culture. One is ethical while one is social and the latter can have negative elements. Grandfather/father/son has a generational aspect, so I would think grandparent/parent/child (or current) would work. Think tape backups. Alternate terms that express this generational aspect would have to be developed. For hung I would think frozen is good as it’s in an unexpected state. I guess programs can’t crash anymore? Is it ok to say things get corrupted (ethics again)? Synonyms have to share meaning to not increase the difficulty of development. It’s hard enough without misunderstanding situations.
meshugaas 1y ago
Whoever wrote this is overreacting more than any specific choice of word might be
- 99094 1y ago
  No, banning common words is genuine insanity.
  - meshugaas 1y ago
    “This guide is intended to encompass inclusive language recommendations for projects” Interpreting this as “banning words” is genuine idiocy.
    - fbhabbed 1y ago
      Fine, I am against this and I will intentionally include these words in all my open source projects
fbhabbed 1y ago
Kinda stupid if you ask me. Bring me back master\slave, white\black, and let's not be stupid: context matters.
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zzo38computer 1y ago
I think that if people want to write some new program or documentation or whatever else and prefer to use different words, that is OK as long as it is still clear (rather than becoming confusing due to it; but sometimes the difference words can result in less confusion instead, which is good), but this does not necessarily justify changing existing things (there are reasons to do it but it is not always the good idea to do), and should not ban words due to this.
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delichon 1y ago
Dear words banners, please consider how you would feel when your political opponents propose a different list of words to ban, like microaggression, cisgender, deadnaming, intersectionality. This blade has two edges, don't run with it. I wonder why they didn't include "privilege". Shouldn't it be "root rights" instead of "root privilege"?
- Gibbon1 1y ago
  If I wanted to discredit the left pushing left leaning morons to ban words like master/slave, black/white, housekeeping is exactly what I would do. Ditto getting them rag on white people.
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- collingreen 1y ago
  The difference been "I suggest avoiding these words because I think they hurt some people in some way" and "I want to ban people from describing being bullied or their own differences" feels vast to me. When did this kind of thing become partisan? You can think people are weak or overreacting or stupid but it's another jump entirely to this idea of trying to silence "your political opponents" from talking about their lives. I genuinely am surprised by this attitude of openly embracing bullying especially from a side that used to bang a drum hard of "mind your own business".
  - like_any_other 1y ago
    "Suggest" avoiding like your boss "suggests" you be on time for work, sure. And hey, maybe alleging that one is part of an evil oppressive race, and all they have is stolen [1], is hurtful too. It certainly has consequences [2,3,4,5,6]. [1] “you can’t steal nothin from a/ white man, he’s already stole it he owes you anything you want,/ even his life.” - Lauded poet Amiri Baraka https://poetry.princeton.edu/2008/04/13/malcolm-x/ https://poetry.princeton.edu/2008/04/13/malcolm-x/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiri_Baraka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiri_Baraka [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Richard_Everitt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Richard_Everitt [3] https://www.fox13news.com/news/police-fatal-beating-of-st-petersburg-man-lasted-more-than-1-hour https://www.fox13news.com/news/police-fatal-beating-of-st-pe... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kriss_Donald https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kriss_Donald [5] https://apnews.com/general-news-90627b2363dd416e9f014c989ed8e6f4 https://apnews.com/general-news-90627b2363dd416e9f014c989ed8... [6] https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/accused-killer-andrew-graham-stand-trial/ https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/accused-killer-andrew-... [7] https://www.mic.com/articles/60599/the-christopher-lane-murder-wasn-t-a-tragedy-it-was-a-hate-crime https://www.mic.com/articles/60599/the-christopher-lane-murd... [8] https://frontpagemag.com/2012/jamie-glazov/shot-for-being-white/ https://frontpagemag.com/2012/jamie-glazov/shot-for-being-wh...
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yogorenapan 1y ago
Note that Lunduke is a right wing nut job that has been crusading against "DEI" and whatnot for a few years. At the same time, he's not wrong that this particular rule feels particularly misdirected. There is a lot of entrenched vocabulary that has its own meaning and makes sense in context. Sure someone not in tech might take killing children the wrong way but the jargon was not intended for them in the first place.
Bender 1y ago
If using Firefox one can unban words and other forms of compelled speech using the addon FoxReplace [1] to put back words that people try to usurp. For example, if anyone here says "Burp", I instead see "Fart" because I can. People will not know until someone using the addon quotes them. There is an option for case sensitivity, match only on a URL, etc... [1] - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/foxreplace/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/foxreplace/

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I assume parent/child is ok? To me, values is not a synonym for culture. One is ethical while one is social and the latter can have negative elements. Grandfather/father/son has a generational aspect, so I would think grandparent/parent/child (or current) would work. Think tape backups. Alternate terms that express this generational aspect would have to be developed. For hung I would think frozen is good as it’s in an unexpected state. I guess programs can’t crash anymore? Is it ok to say things get corrupted (ethics again)? Synonyms have to share meaning to not increase the difficulty of development. It’s hard enough without misunderstanding situations.

meshugaas 1y ago

Whoever wrote this is overreacting more than any specific choice of word might be

99094 1y ago
No, banning common words is genuine insanity.
- meshugaas 1y ago
  “This guide is intended to encompass inclusive language recommendations for projects” Interpreting this as “banning words” is genuine idiocy.
  - fbhabbed 1y ago
    Fine, I am against this and I will intentionally include these words in all my open source projects

fbhabbed 1y ago

Kinda stupid if you ask me. Bring me back master\slave, white\black, and let's not be stupid: context matters.

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zzo38computer 1y ago

I think that if people want to write some new program or documentation or whatever else and prefer to use different words, that is OK as long as it is still clear (rather than becoming confusing due to it; but sometimes the difference words can result in less confusion instead, which is good), but this does not necessarily justify changing existing things (there are reasons to do it but it is not always the good idea to do), and should not ban words due to this.

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delichon 1y ago

Dear words banners, please consider how you would feel when your political opponents propose a different list of words to ban, like microaggression, cisgender, deadnaming, intersectionality. This blade has two edges, don't run with it. I wonder why they didn't include "privilege". Shouldn't it be "root rights" instead of "root privilege"?

Gibbon1 1y ago
If I wanted to discredit the left pushing left leaning morons to ban words like master/slave, black/white, housekeeping is exactly what I would do. Ditto getting them rag on white people.
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collingreen 1y ago
The difference been "I suggest avoiding these words because I think they hurt some people in some way" and "I want to ban people from describing being bullied or their own differences" feels vast to me. When did this kind of thing become partisan? You can think people are weak or overreacting or stupid but it's another jump entirely to this idea of trying to silence "your political opponents" from talking about their lives. I genuinely am surprised by this attitude of openly embracing bullying especially from a side that used to bang a drum hard of "mind your own business".
- like_any_other 1y ago
  "Suggest" avoiding like your boss "suggests" you be on time for work, sure. And hey, maybe alleging that one is part of an evil oppressive race, and all they have is stolen [1], is hurtful too. It certainly has consequences [2,3,4,5,6]. [1] “you can’t steal nothin from a/ white man, he’s already stole it he owes you anything you want,/ even his life.” - Lauded poet Amiri Baraka https://poetry.princeton.edu/2008/04/13/malcolm-x/ https://poetry.princeton.edu/2008/04/13/malcolm-x/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiri_Baraka https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiri_Baraka [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Richard_Everitt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Richard_Everitt [3] https://www.fox13news.com/news/police-fatal-beating-of-st-petersburg-man-lasted-more-than-1-hour https://www.fox13news.com/news/police-fatal-beating-of-st-pe... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kriss_Donald https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kriss_Donald [5] https://apnews.com/general-news-90627b2363dd416e9f014c989ed8e6f4 https://apnews.com/general-news-90627b2363dd416e9f014c989ed8... [6] https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/accused-killer-andrew-graham-stand-trial/ https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/accused-killer-andrew-... [7] https://www.mic.com/articles/60599/the-christopher-lane-murder-wasn-t-a-tragedy-it-was-a-hate-crime https://www.mic.com/articles/60599/the-christopher-lane-murd... [8] https://frontpagemag.com/2012/jamie-glazov/shot-for-being-white/ https://frontpagemag.com/2012/jamie-glazov/shot-for-being-wh...

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yogorenapan 1y ago

Note that Lunduke is a right wing nut job that has been crusading against "DEI" and whatnot for a few years. At the same time, he's not wrong that this particular rule feels particularly misdirected. There is a lot of entrenched vocabulary that has its own meaning and makes sense in context. Sure someone not in tech might take killing children the wrong way but the jargon was not intended for them in the first place.

Bender 1y ago

If using Firefox one can unban words and other forms of compelled speech using the addon FoxReplace [1] to put back words that people try to usurp. For example, if anyone here says "Burp", I instead see "Fart" because I can. People will not know until someone using the addon quotes them. There is an option for case sensitivity, match only on a URL, etc... [1] - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/foxreplace/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/foxreplace/