3 ms·

What about risks from facial recognition in airports? I’m shocked how everyone just says yes and does the scan. That is going to normalize facial recognition ev

What about risks from facial recognition in airports? I’m shocked how everyone just says yes and does the scan. That is going to normalize facial recognition everywhere else including rental housing.

hdgvhicv 1y ago
People don’t care. Privacy advocates have never won the battle over “nothing to hide”
- ranger_danger 1y ago
  How does one measure "winning" this battle you speak of?
  - hdgvhicv 1y ago
    Getting the majority of people to actually be in favour of privacy.
staplers 1y ago
I’m shocked how everyone just says yes and does the scan. Never had a TSA employee not make some eye-roll or snarky remark. They're aware of the social shaming loophole.
- SilverElfin 1y ago
  When I opt out of TSA nonsense I have to always wait for several minutes in an odd spot like I’m some criminal. It’s certainly awkward and uncomfortable but also I feel like the delay is meant to discourage opting out.
  - tayo42 1y ago
    What are you opting out of?
    - SilverElfin 1y ago
      Walking through the scanner.
      - tayo42 1y ago
        Didn't think that's a big deal anymore. You can get precheck though. It makes the whole airport experience much more sane
        ranger_danger 1y ago
        It's not. But precheck comes with its own even more invasive privacy issues.
- wahnfrieden 1y ago
  On a recent flight the agent told me that they are changing the rule soon and will start taking you aside (potentially to a room?) for further questioning if you opt out. I didn't verify if they were telling the truth or what the current status is.
- chaps 1y ago
  Flying out of LGA once and opting out of the body scanners, while I was being patted down, another TSA agent watched from about 20 feet away and kept doing "kissy" faces at me until it was over.
- c22 1y ago
  Sounds like I'm in the minority here, but last time I flew there was a sign right next to the scanner reminding me I could opt out and I did opt out. The agent compared my photo ID to my boarding pass and professionally waved me through with no eye rolls or delay.
Telemakhos 1y ago
How much privacy did you have in an airport to begin with? You gave your identity to the airline when you bought a ticket, and the airline passed that on to the government. You can't fly anonymously and, as far back as I can remember, never could. Even without cameras, you need a ticket to get past security, so everyone airside has already been identified. If it's an international flight, you already gave some government a biometric-friendly photograph with your passport application. When you rent housing, your landlord is likely to require some identification for a credit check. Your face isn't going to make a difference here, because you already handed him your ID. Where it might make a difference is internal security camera footage: if you let your significant other live with you without paying rent, the landlord will know because her face will be recognized. If you sublet without notifying the landlord, he'll know. If you're running a flophouse or drug den, he'll know. But he already knew who you were before you signed a lease, because ID is more than a face.
- staplers 1y ago
  A semi-anonymous distant photo correlated by some gov agency (with effort) is preferable to voluntary id-verified HD facial scans uploaded as gov contracted corporate property.
- themafia 1y ago
  > You can't fly anonymously and, as far back as I can remember, never could. This is only true for commercial flights. If you charter a plane you can be as anonymous as you like. > But he already knew who you were before you signed a lease Add a single third party, like the police to this mix, and the problem should become apparent. Whether or not my landlord has access to this information is one problem, who they can share it and how they share it is another.
  - randomjoe2 1y ago
    oh wow yeah all of us are chartering planes left and right for privacy reasons, really good point man
    - 1y ago
cwmoore 1y ago
No-fly list, no rent list, not your privilege, not my problem. /s

hdgvhicv 1y ago

People don’t care. Privacy advocates have never won the battle over “nothing to hide”

ranger_danger 1y ago
How does one measure "winning" this battle you speak of?
- hdgvhicv 1y ago
  Getting the majority of people to actually be in favour of privacy.

staplers 1y ago

I’m shocked how everyone just says yes and does the scan. Never had a TSA employee not make some eye-roll or snarky remark. They're aware of the social shaming loophole.

SilverElfin 1y ago
When I opt out of TSA nonsense I have to always wait for several minutes in an odd spot like I’m some criminal. It’s certainly awkward and uncomfortable but also I feel like the delay is meant to discourage opting out.
- tayo42 1y ago
  What are you opting out of?
  - SilverElfin 1y ago
    Walking through the scanner.
    - tayo42 1y ago
      Didn't think that's a big deal anymore. You can get precheck though. It makes the whole airport experience much more sane
      - ranger_danger 1y ago
        It's not. But precheck comes with its own even more invasive privacy issues.
wahnfrieden 1y ago
On a recent flight the agent told me that they are changing the rule soon and will start taking you aside (potentially to a room?) for further questioning if you opt out. I didn't verify if they were telling the truth or what the current status is.
chaps 1y ago
Flying out of LGA once and opting out of the body scanners, while I was being patted down, another TSA agent watched from about 20 feet away and kept doing "kissy" faces at me until it was over.
c22 1y ago
Sounds like I'm in the minority here, but last time I flew there was a sign right next to the scanner reminding me I could opt out and I did opt out. The agent compared my photo ID to my boarding pass and professionally waved me through with no eye rolls or delay.

Telemakhos 1y ago

How much privacy did you have in an airport to begin with? You gave your identity to the airline when you bought a ticket, and the airline passed that on to the government. You can't fly anonymously and, as far back as I can remember, never could. Even without cameras, you need a ticket to get past security, so everyone airside has already been identified. If it's an international flight, you already gave some government a biometric-friendly photograph with your passport application. When you rent housing, your landlord is likely to require some identification for a credit check. Your face isn't going to make a difference here, because you already handed him your ID. Where it might make a difference is internal security camera footage: if you let your significant other live with you without paying rent, the landlord will know because her face will be recognized. If you sublet without notifying the landlord, he'll know. If you're running a flophouse or drug den, he'll know. But he already knew who you were before you signed a lease, because ID is more than a face.

staplers 1y ago
A semi-anonymous distant photo correlated by some gov agency (with effort) is preferable to voluntary id-verified HD facial scans uploaded as gov contracted corporate property.
themafia 1y ago
> You can't fly anonymously and, as far back as I can remember, never could. This is only true for commercial flights. If you charter a plane you can be as anonymous as you like. > But he already knew who you were before you signed a lease Add a single third party, like the police to this mix, and the problem should become apparent. Whether or not my landlord has access to this information is one problem, who they can share it and how they share it is another.
- randomjoe2 1y ago
  oh wow yeah all of us are chartering planes left and right for privacy reasons, really good point man
  - 1y ago

cwmoore 1y ago

No-fly list, no rent list, not your privilege, not my problem. /s