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> You have to feel it. The corporate machine does not feel it. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fea

> You have to feel it. The corporate machine does not feel it. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop... ever, until you are dead.

mattigames 1y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlLQ2qJmy8c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlLQ2qJmy8c
- kkotak 1y ago
  That was great share. Thank you.
arnvald 1y ago
This is why small companies still stand a chance. They can build something that would fail the corpo test of metrics and surveys.
- bonoboTP 1y ago
  Then they get acquired.
johnfn 1y ago
Plenty of people work at large corporations and enjoy their work.
- bravetraveler 1y ago
  Plenty of people are certifiable
  - rglover 1y ago
    And how
  - johnfn 1y ago
    Surely we can have a better discussion on this topic than "everyone who disagrees with me is insane".
    - bravetraveler 1y ago
      Sorry, thought we were doing platitudes
- cpursley 1y ago
  “Enjoy their paycheck”, there - fixed it for you
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
  - fuzzfactor 1y ago
    When you do the math, it looks like most jobs have never actually had an enjoyable paycheck though, just the fortunate few. In that case some peole are bound to find more enjoyment from something else, or why would the paycheck even be worth it? Sometimes that can occur within the very work they do, maybe even their life's work, which can take long enough to proceed through phases of education, underemployment, business ownership, retirement and back again. Surely there are other kinds of enjoyment continuity, which can function in parallel to a certain extent, that those concentrating on the paycheck alone may not come close to achieving.
  - tbrownaw 1y ago
    Nope. Sure scale comes with lots of communication and coordination overhead that many people don't enjoy, but middle management exists to provide a place to dump all that annoying stuff.
    - zelphirkalt 1y ago
      And to create even more of it, as they often revel in this, as it makes them seem more important, indispensable.
  - johnfn 1y ago
    It seems like you're trying to tell me that I don't actually enjoy my work? That seems observably untrue from my perspective? If you don't enjoy your work, that's fine, but trying to tell people who do that they actually don't doesn't make any sense to me.
    - pendenthistory 1y ago
layer8 1y ago
The corporate machine consists of people.
- leoh 1y ago
  ... who do not feel alive in many basic ways that mean a lot
- dygd 1y ago
  From my experience it consists of Excel spreadsheets. What I mean is that when a wave of layoffs hits, there's no humanity to it, you're just above or below a line.
- akoboldfrying 1y ago
  People forget this. People are determined to forget this, because acknowledging it is painful. But it's so important that we do.
bbddg 1y ago
Kyle Reese?
Wowfunhappy 1y ago
Whatever you think about Apple, I find it hard to believe that the team that developed the original iPhone could have done so without feeling it. Perhaps that was just the magic of Jobs, who definitely felt things. But he didn't make the iPhone single handedly.
- paulryanrogers 1y ago
  I think there is some survival bias in the analysis, and that something like the iPhone was inevitable given all the experimentation going on in the market. Apple also made the Newton. But folks don't call back to it or praise its makers very often.
  - tempodox 1y ago
    > the Newton I found the idea fascinating, but it was too clunky and heavy for the features it offered. I think the concept was too far ahead of its time, it couldn’t be implemented well in available tech.
    - ghaff 1y ago
      For that matter, the Palm Pilot was beloved of a lot of techies at the time but neither the input nor synchronization technology/infrastructure were really there. I won one at a trade show and even upgraded it later but, honestly, it wasn't all that useful.
  - borski 1y ago
    Actually, I’ve found people often do praise the Newton. They lament it as being ahead of its time, but in terms of feeling it actually did have the right vibe. The tech just wasn’t there yet at the time.
  - Wowfunhappy 1y ago
    > something like the iPhone was inevitable given all the experimentation going on in the market. I agree, but I don't think it would have been as polished as the iPhone out of the gate. > Apple also made the Newton. But folks don't call back to it or praise its makers very often. As a sibling comment mentioned, I think the Newton was perhaps better than you're giving it credit for, but my point isn't that Apple makes great products, it's that it's possible at certain times for certain teams within large companies to "feel it". Perhaps entertainment could be another example. Do you think the team that made Wall-E didn't "feel it"? What about Zelda Breath of the Wild?
benreesman 1y ago
It comes and goes in seasons. There is always a tension between the needs of the many and the pathological acquisitiveness of the few, but this is the worst in the West in living memory. The last remotely compatible situation was the late USSR, and a dysfunctional Soviet corpse plundering by middling oligarchs to even more pathic notional leadership is precisely what it is. Be of good cheer, it collapses under its own weight in this neighborhood of dysfunction. Its almost over. There will be a mess to clean up, then it'll be summer again until we get lax again. Always been this way, always will be. Empires grow in power, then corruption, then only corruption, and then they're done.
- sneak 1y ago
  A lot of people suffer greatly and die to cause that mess. A perfect example is the terrible mismanagement of the epidemic in the USA; over a million people dead, many (most?) of them unnecessarily for the active rejection of basic infection control measures. A perfect example of the corruption of which you speak: many countries got €1-2 rapid tests (I bought a 50 pack) where the US only approved the $30 two-pack. Thousands died unnecessarily so the state could funnel money to their buddies. This is just one of a million examples. The rate of degeneration seems to be increasing further. You’re right about it getting close, but unfortunately “almost over” in this context usually means a generation or two. Children born today might only know a lifetime of suffering only for their own adult children to finally emerge in the spring. This is why I don’t like takes like this. It is impossible to be in good cheer when there will be millions of preventable and utterly unnecessary deaths and hundreds of millions of lives and bodies damaged and stunted irreparably due to lack of access to medicine and education and equal protection of law. Preventable diseases not being prevented, treatable conditions going intreated. Forced and unnecessary poverty costs lives. It is no different than any other genocide or intentional mass murder.
  - benreesman 1y ago
    Take it up with the people who could easily prevent it by instituting reforms, not with me, that's shooting the messenger because I'm easier to get to. But I'm fighting those people tooth and nail precisely because every small victory however symbolic is one pebble in the scale and there are degrees of "mess": plenty of corrupt elites make a deal, let's pray these do. If there's a genocide level event it won't have my endorsement, I'm still mourning a kid brother who would still be here if it weren't for a lot of the factors killing men his age in stupendous numbers. That genocide? It's been happening for a minimum of 5 years, more like ten. I appreciate the merits and gravity of your complaint (to put it mildly) but mine is the wrong complaint box for it.
senko 1y ago
That’s Austrian economics for you.

mattigames 1y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlLQ2qJmy8c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlLQ2qJmy8c

kkotak 1y ago
That was great share. Thank you.

arnvald 1y ago

This is why small companies still stand a chance. They can build something that would fail the corpo test of metrics and surveys.

bonoboTP 1y ago
Then they get acquired.

johnfn 1y ago

Plenty of people work at large corporations and enjoy their work.

bravetraveler 1y ago
Plenty of people are certifiable
- rglover 1y ago
  And how
- johnfn 1y ago
  Surely we can have a better discussion on this topic than "everyone who disagrees with me is insane".
  - bravetraveler 1y ago
    Sorry, thought we were doing platitudes
cpursley 1y ago
“Enjoy their paycheck”, there - fixed it for you
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- fuzzfactor 1y ago
  When you do the math, it looks like most jobs have never actually had an enjoyable paycheck though, just the fortunate few. In that case some peole are bound to find more enjoyment from something else, or why would the paycheck even be worth it? Sometimes that can occur within the very work they do, maybe even their life's work, which can take long enough to proceed through phases of education, underemployment, business ownership, retirement and back again. Surely there are other kinds of enjoyment continuity, which can function in parallel to a certain extent, that those concentrating on the paycheck alone may not come close to achieving.
- tbrownaw 1y ago
  Nope. Sure scale comes with lots of communication and coordination overhead that many people don't enjoy, but middle management exists to provide a place to dump all that annoying stuff.
  - zelphirkalt 1y ago
    And to create even more of it, as they often revel in this, as it makes them seem more important, indispensable.
- johnfn 1y ago
  It seems like you're trying to tell me that I don't actually enjoy my work? That seems observably untrue from my perspective? If you don't enjoy your work, that's fine, but trying to tell people who do that they actually don't doesn't make any sense to me.
  - pendenthistory 1y ago

layer8 1y ago

The corporate machine consists of people.

leoh 1y ago
... who do not feel alive in many basic ways that mean a lot
dygd 1y ago
From my experience it consists of Excel spreadsheets. What I mean is that when a wave of layoffs hits, there's no humanity to it, you're just above or below a line.
akoboldfrying 1y ago
People forget this. People are determined to forget this, because acknowledging it is painful. But it's so important that we do.

bbddg 1y ago

Kyle Reese?

Wowfunhappy 1y ago

Whatever you think about Apple, I find it hard to believe that the team that developed the original iPhone could have done so without feeling it. Perhaps that was just the magic of Jobs, who definitely felt things. But he didn't make the iPhone single handedly.

paulryanrogers 1y ago
I think there is some survival bias in the analysis, and that something like the iPhone was inevitable given all the experimentation going on in the market. Apple also made the Newton. But folks don't call back to it or praise its makers very often.
- tempodox 1y ago
  > the Newton I found the idea fascinating, but it was too clunky and heavy for the features it offered. I think the concept was too far ahead of its time, it couldn’t be implemented well in available tech.
  - ghaff 1y ago
    For that matter, the Palm Pilot was beloved of a lot of techies at the time but neither the input nor synchronization technology/infrastructure were really there. I won one at a trade show and even upgraded it later but, honestly, it wasn't all that useful.
- borski 1y ago
  Actually, I’ve found people often do praise the Newton. They lament it as being ahead of its time, but in terms of feeling it actually did have the right vibe. The tech just wasn’t there yet at the time.
- Wowfunhappy 1y ago
  > something like the iPhone was inevitable given all the experimentation going on in the market. I agree, but I don't think it would have been as polished as the iPhone out of the gate. > Apple also made the Newton. But folks don't call back to it or praise its makers very often. As a sibling comment mentioned, I think the Newton was perhaps better than you're giving it credit for, but my point isn't that Apple makes great products, it's that it's possible at certain times for certain teams within large companies to "feel it". Perhaps entertainment could be another example. Do you think the team that made Wall-E didn't "feel it"? What about Zelda Breath of the Wild?

benreesman 1y ago

It comes and goes in seasons. There is always a tension between the needs of the many and the pathological acquisitiveness of the few, but this is the worst in the West in living memory. The last remotely compatible situation was the late USSR, and a dysfunctional Soviet corpse plundering by middling oligarchs to even more pathic notional leadership is precisely what it is. Be of good cheer, it collapses under its own weight in this neighborhood of dysfunction. Its almost over. There will be a mess to clean up, then it'll be summer again until we get lax again. Always been this way, always will be. Empires grow in power, then corruption, then only corruption, and then they're done.

sneak 1y ago
A lot of people suffer greatly and die to cause that mess. A perfect example is the terrible mismanagement of the epidemic in the USA; over a million people dead, many (most?) of them unnecessarily for the active rejection of basic infection control measures. A perfect example of the corruption of which you speak: many countries got €1-2 rapid tests (I bought a 50 pack) where the US only approved the $30 two-pack. Thousands died unnecessarily so the state could funnel money to their buddies. This is just one of a million examples. The rate of degeneration seems to be increasing further. You’re right about it getting close, but unfortunately “almost over” in this context usually means a generation or two. Children born today might only know a lifetime of suffering only for their own adult children to finally emerge in the spring. This is why I don’t like takes like this. It is impossible to be in good cheer when there will be millions of preventable and utterly unnecessary deaths and hundreds of millions of lives and bodies damaged and stunted irreparably due to lack of access to medicine and education and equal protection of law. Preventable diseases not being prevented, treatable conditions going intreated. Forced and unnecessary poverty costs lives. It is no different than any other genocide or intentional mass murder.
- benreesman 1y ago
  Take it up with the people who could easily prevent it by instituting reforms, not with me, that's shooting the messenger because I'm easier to get to. But I'm fighting those people tooth and nail precisely because every small victory however symbolic is one pebble in the scale and there are degrees of "mess": plenty of corrupt elites make a deal, let's pray these do. If there's a genocide level event it won't have my endorsement, I'm still mourning a kid brother who would still be here if it weren't for a lot of the factors killing men his age in stupendous numbers. That genocide? It's been happening for a minimum of 5 years, more like ten. I appreciate the merits and gravity of your complaint (to put it mildly) but mine is the wrong complaint box for it.

senko 1y ago

That’s Austrian economics for you.