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You don’t think that these unhinged lunatics won’t attack ICE agents and their families?
by _mlbt 1y ago
You don’t think that these unhinged lunatics won’t attack ICE agents and their families?
- anigbrowl 1y agoI think we should make policy based on real events instead of imaginary ones. If people in the administration say something is happening, then it's up to them to provide evidence of it. Otherwise it seems safer to assume they are lying.
- _mlbt 1y agoThe ambush was a real event!!! A man was shot in the neck and nearly killed. WTF??? So does an ICE agent need to actually be murdered in cold blood for you to care about their safety?
- Freedom2 1y agoThat's a strawman argument and doesn't really engage curious discussion. GP never said that agents need to be murdered in cold blood, nor did they say that they didn't care about the agents' safety.
- kelseyfrog 1y agoICE agents willingly assume roles that involve inflicting harm on others. Given that, I cannot view their personal safety as a priority compared to the safety of those whose families and lives they disrupt.
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- kelseyfrog 1y agoYour comment is somewhat perplexing. The characterization of "unhinged lunatics" seems misapplied here, as it is difficult to overlook the fact that ICE itself has consistently demonstrated behavior that could reasonably be described in precisely those terms. From family separations and indefinite detentions to systemic patterns of abuse and rights violations, the agency has engaged in conduct that undermines any claim to legitimacy or proportionality. To suggest that external actors are the destabilizing threat, while disregarding ICE's own record of cruelty and lawlessness, inverts the reality of the situation in a way that strains credulity. Perhaps there’s a more precise way you could describe people who resist ICE, since labeling them "unhinged lunatics" makes your point less clear.
- _mlbt 1y agoAmbushing ICE agents and attempting to murder them goes far beyond resistance.
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- mdhb 1y agoIt’s actually an incredibly well established resistance tactic for what it’s worth. Just to give a specific real life example, when the IRA were fighting the British one of the tactics they would use for some time was to send their female volunteers into the bars where the British soldiers would go drinking on a Friday night to flirt with them and convince them to leave with the girls thinking they would fuck. When they finally got back to the apartment where she said she lived the IRA team would appear to finish the job. You might well argue (I would even say rightly with the benefit of hindsight) that that’s a shitty tactic but that same group of people are now the largest legitimate political party in Ireland and Northern Ireland as far as I know. But as a larger point, when your job becomes snatching innocent people off the streets with no right to a fair trial to send them to a dungeon in another country to be tortured and they have no hope of escape… I mean… you should probably expect violence in response to that. I don’t know what on earth gave you the idea that people would just see that happening on a daily basis and just respond with marching in the streets. A huge chunk of people would have no problem seeing that as a legitimate response. History is absolutely filled with those examples.
- _mlbt 1y agoWould it be okay if people started “resisting” illegal immigrants in the same way? We don’t do vigilante justice in this country. All of you justifying the attempted murder of ICE agents are sick in the head. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised though, there are a lot of people who wished that President Trump’s assassin had actually succeeded. The far left is developing a frightening violence problem. Murdering people is not the answer.
- AlecSchueler 1y agoWhy do you continually frame them as unhinged lunatics? You can just call them assassins or attempted murderers.