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> campguards, gas chamber operators and gestapo Right, it's either open borders or gas chambers, no in-between. Meanwhile most countries manage to enforce thei

> campguards, gas chamber operators and gestapo Right, it's either open borders or gas chambers, no in-between. Meanwhile most countries manage to enforce their borders without committing genocide, and most Slavic countries even split apart into ethnic enclaves (called "fall of the Soviet union", "Balkanization", and the Czech-Slovak split), and now manage to coexist peacefully, save for those trying to reverse those splits (i.e. Russia). The root question is: do you support the right to national self-determination, or not? Do you support the continued existence of distinct nations, or not? If you demand open borders, regardless of a people's preference, then you fundamentally oppose both of those.

jacquesm 1y ago
You already have concentration camps and razzias, did you think the Nazi's started with gas chambers? > Meanwhile most countries manage to enforce their borders without committing genocide And without concentration camps. And without Razzia's. The US apparently can not. > and most Slavic countries even split apart into ethnic enclaves (called "fall of the Soviet union", "Balkanization", and the Czech-Slovak split), and now manage to coexist peacefully "now" is doing a lot of work in that sentence. > save for those trying to reverse those splits (i.e. Russia). And factions in Hungary. And Slovakia. And Germany. This isn't over, not by long shot.
- like_any_other 1y ago
  > "now" is doing a lot of work in that sentence. Yeah somehow different ethnic groups forced to share countries didn't make everyone like each other, so some of the splits were messy. You wanna know what it looks like when they don't split? It looks like the Holodomor. So clearly the answer is even less borders.
analognoise 1y ago
If the “national self determination” is that masked men run around terrorizing families and workers, they deserve to be fought.

jacquesm 1y ago

You already have concentration camps and razzias, did you think the Nazi's started with gas chambers? > Meanwhile most countries manage to enforce their borders without committing genocide And without concentration camps. And without Razzia's. The US apparently can not. > and most Slavic countries even split apart into ethnic enclaves (called "fall of the Soviet union", "Balkanization", and the Czech-Slovak split), and now manage to coexist peacefully "now" is doing a lot of work in that sentence. > save for those trying to reverse those splits (i.e. Russia). And factions in Hungary. And Slovakia. And Germany. This isn't over, not by long shot.

like_any_other 1y ago
> "now" is doing a lot of work in that sentence. Yeah somehow different ethnic groups forced to share countries didn't make everyone like each other, so some of the splits were messy. You wanna know what it looks like when they don't split? It looks like the Holodomor. So clearly the answer is even less borders.

analognoise 1y ago

If the “national self determination” is that masked men run around terrorizing families and workers, they deserve to be fought.