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I agree. We used to dislike the idea of secret police in this country, next will be secret court proceedings. Need to nip this in the bud.

krapp 1y ago
Secret court proceedings have been a thing since 9/11. People seem to have forgotten that we built a concentration camp in Cuba explicitly to detain "enemy combatants" indefinitely without trial, deprive them of their civil liberties and torture (sorry, "enhanced interrogate") them, and how eagerly the American public got behind all of it. We had the chance to nip it in the bud over 20 years ago and we couldn't. It doesn't look like we're going to this time, either.
- scarecrowbob 1y ago
  As far as I know, CIA black sites go back as far as the CIA. I think it's endemic to contemporary state structures- though clearly morally wrong. But hey, these folks are evil; if that kind of extra judicial torture of random folks is the thing that has guided me away from Omelas, so be it.
hypeatei 1y ago
Secret courts already exist: it's called FISA.
Tadpole9181 1y ago
On top of the FISA thing, you're already late to this party...? The current administration believes that non-citizens have no right to due process. If there's no due process, there's no way to prove or disprove citizenship and no court proceeding at all. And SCOTUS ruled that you can ship a non-citizen just... Anywhere you want? Doesn't have to even be on the same continent as their home. So the Gestapo - sorry, ICE - can kidnap anyone they want, put them in a camp of arbitrarily bad conditions without any form of disclosure or contact to lawyers or family, then send them to a random war-torn country with no belongings. If you're extra unlucky, they may just send you to a death prison or work camp in a third world dictatorship. So we are already passed the rubicon of "no court hearing at all". Today we're normalizing deploying the military against US citizens.
- bdangubic 1y ago
  not just current administration… cute how many Americans think that they were “free” until short 7-8 months ago

krapp 1y ago

Secret court proceedings have been a thing since 9/11. People seem to have forgotten that we built a concentration camp in Cuba explicitly to detain "enemy combatants" indefinitely without trial, deprive them of their civil liberties and torture (sorry, "enhanced interrogate") them, and how eagerly the American public got behind all of it. We had the chance to nip it in the bud over 20 years ago and we couldn't. It doesn't look like we're going to this time, either.

scarecrowbob 1y ago
As far as I know, CIA black sites go back as far as the CIA. I think it's endemic to contemporary state structures- though clearly morally wrong. But hey, these folks are evil; if that kind of extra judicial torture of random folks is the thing that has guided me away from Omelas, so be it.

hypeatei 1y ago

Secret courts already exist: it's called FISA.

Tadpole9181 1y ago

On top of the FISA thing, you're already late to this party...? The current administration believes that non-citizens have no right to due process. If there's no due process, there's no way to prove or disprove citizenship and no court proceeding at all. And SCOTUS ruled that you can ship a non-citizen just... Anywhere you want? Doesn't have to even be on the same continent as their home. So the Gestapo - sorry, ICE - can kidnap anyone they want, put them in a camp of arbitrarily bad conditions without any form of disclosure or contact to lawyers or family, then send them to a random war-torn country with no belongings. If you're extra unlucky, they may just send you to a death prison or work camp in a third world dictatorship. So we are already passed the rubicon of "no court hearing at all". Today we're normalizing deploying the military against US citizens.

bdangubic 1y ago
not just current administration… cute how many Americans think that they were “free” until short 7-8 months ago