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So in your view, the true victim of Elon's nazi salute was.. Elon? How do you come to that conclusion? Because the backlash was "too much" ? He is still (one o

So in your view, the true victim of Elon's nazi salute was.. Elon? How do you come to that conclusion? Because the backlash was "too much" ? He is still (one of) the richest people in the world, and controls several huuge companies. But he got his feelings hurt, I guess? And that was "too much" ?? Poor snowflake Elon.

ribelo 1y ago
Let's make this clear: The Anti-Defamation League stated it wasn't a salute and that they weren't offended. Rabbi Ari Lamm wrote that Musk has repeatedly shown he's a friend to the Jewish community. David Greenfield suggested people should focus on actual antisemitism instead. Netanyahu highlighted the absurdity of the accusations and pointed to Musk's aid and engagement after the October 7th attacks. And yes, Musk became a victim. I don't see what his current wealth has to do with it. It's hard to ignore the imbalance where one man drew the world's anger and became public enemy #1. If you call him a snowflake, I don't know what to call all those who might have been offended by his gesture
- gizzlon 1y ago
  I'm not calling him a snowflake because I don't think he is a victim. You do, but since he still has everything, I thought you meant he got his feelings hurt. When I first heard about it I thought "yeah right, media is exaggerigating again". Then I saw it, and I mean wtf! I do not at all believe that's something you do by accident. Twice! Also, he could have excused it or try to explain afterwards. He did not. He just trolled.
- Wowfunhappy 1y ago
  > Netanyahu highlighted the absurdity of the accusations and pointed to Musk's aid and engagement after the October 7th attacks. I think Netanyahu had a bit of a conflict of interest here--he couldn't afford to get on Trump's bad side!
- ryandrake 1y ago
  If you don't think it was a nazi salute, study the video so you can reproduce the gesture exactly, then go into your work and do it in front of your manager. See what happens.
  - ribelo 1y ago
    I reproduced it and nothing happened. The problem might be that I'm my own manager so need to went to the mirror and did it, but if any of my 20 employees did the same, I wouldn't take any action against them. The real reason is that I don't live in the West. Where I live, we don't suffer from the plague of misunderstood political correctness. At least not all of us yet.
    - ryandrake 1y ago
      Well, ya got me. You managed to find the one rare manager who either 1. cannot recognize a clear nazi salute, or 2. considers it to be acceptable behavior. I guess I'm wrong.
    - Wytwwww 1y ago
      > but if any of my 20 employees did the same You could all then march around the office or even out on the street with your hands raised. Surely nobody but snowflakes could be offended by that.
- maweaver 1y ago
  I literally saw it on video. I don't care who tells me it didn't happen, it very clearly did.
  - cpursley 1y ago
    You saw what you wanted to see.
    - KingMob 1y ago
      Pffft. Nobody wanted to see that, but he did it anyway.
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        Capricorn2481 1y ago
        > Taking a break from Reddit > Yes, seeing someone on the spectrum (who’s got no political gesture training) spaz out on stage is incredibly cringy Saying take a break from Reddit after posting the most Reddit ass comment I've ever seen.
- viraptor 1y ago
  Whether he's antisemitic or not doesn't change what happened / what it symbolises. We're now in a weird place where Netanyahu supporting him doesn't really make the situation any better. Jews were the convenient outgroup at the time, but don't have to be for Elon.
- Wytwwww 1y ago
  > he's a friend to the Jewish community So? Does that means nobody else is allowed to have an opinion about the salute that he made. Sure he's pro Israel, that's not uncommon at all amongst the far right these days. > who might have been offended by his gesture What about the people who seem to be highly offended by people who have been offended by his gesture. What do you call them?
  - ribelo 1y ago
    Everyone should be free to have whatever opinion they like, or at least, they ought to be. The difference is this, some try to impose their opinions on society, while the rest couldn’t care less and refuse to lose sleep over it. The ability to mind our own business is a virtue, a real one. The world went downhill the moment people started obsessing over others instead of focusing on themselves. And anyone who truly cares about society’s well-being should stop meddling.
    - Wytwwww 1y ago
      > The difference is this, some try to impose their opinions on society So literally Musk and his pals? > society’s well-being should stop meddling. So again, Musk et al.? I'm really confused... what are you trying to say. That only some people are allowed to meddle while everyone else should shut up and mind their own business? How do you determine that? Wealth? Political opinions? Class? Race?
    - squigz 1y ago
      > The world went downhill the moment people started obsessing over others instead of focusing on themselves. Gosh yeah, all that... getting rid of slavery, and women's rights, and disability support and awareness... Truly, the world is far better off!
    - KingMob 1y ago
      > The world went downhill the moment people started obsessing over others instead of focusing on themselves. And anyone who truly cares about society’s well-being should stop meddling. The problem is, meddling to interfere with others, and meddling to stop that interference, are not morally equivalent. If a serial killer is trying to strangle me, and I'm fighting back, you wouldn't deplore "the violence on both sides", would you?
- saagarjha 1y ago
  You can always pick and choose Jewish people who are friends to antisemites.
guywithahat 1y ago
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- KingMob 1y ago
  Lol. Did you even watch the video? Most politicians just lift their arms up and wave like ordinary people. Musk first placed his hand on his heart, and then extended out forcefully in a clear nazi salute.
- wozer 1y ago
  Calling the Nazis socialist is insidious and ahistorical. The Nazis murdered any socialists they could get their hands on.
  - SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
    Right. I don’t know why people call nazis socialists just because they supported a state led by government, socialized government program take over like healthcare and education and production, and they have socialist in their name. I can see how it is easy to confuse by let’s be reasonable. The nazis could not have been socialist because that would mean a corruption one time of a system that is based on ideals.
  - guywithahat 1y ago
    No they didn’t, they were the prevailing socialist party. They imprisoned party members who didn’t play ball with them but they were the socialist. How could you not know the Nazi’s were socialists? That was their whole thing, socialism would only work in a culturally/ethnically homogeneous society

ribelo 1y ago

Let's make this clear: The Anti-Defamation League stated it wasn't a salute and that they weren't offended. Rabbi Ari Lamm wrote that Musk has repeatedly shown he's a friend to the Jewish community. David Greenfield suggested people should focus on actual antisemitism instead. Netanyahu highlighted the absurdity of the accusations and pointed to Musk's aid and engagement after the October 7th attacks. And yes, Musk became a victim. I don't see what his current wealth has to do with it. It's hard to ignore the imbalance where one man drew the world's anger and became public enemy #1. If you call him a snowflake, I don't know what to call all those who might have been offended by his gesture

gizzlon 1y ago
I'm not calling him a snowflake because I don't think he is a victim. You do, but since he still has everything, I thought you meant he got his feelings hurt. When I first heard about it I thought "yeah right, media is exaggerigating again". Then I saw it, and I mean wtf! I do not at all believe that's something you do by accident. Twice! Also, he could have excused it or try to explain afterwards. He did not. He just trolled.
Wowfunhappy 1y ago
> Netanyahu highlighted the absurdity of the accusations and pointed to Musk's aid and engagement after the October 7th attacks. I think Netanyahu had a bit of a conflict of interest here--he couldn't afford to get on Trump's bad side!
ryandrake 1y ago
If you don't think it was a nazi salute, study the video so you can reproduce the gesture exactly, then go into your work and do it in front of your manager. See what happens.
- ribelo 1y ago
  I reproduced it and nothing happened. The problem might be that I'm my own manager so need to went to the mirror and did it, but if any of my 20 employees did the same, I wouldn't take any action against them. The real reason is that I don't live in the West. Where I live, we don't suffer from the plague of misunderstood political correctness. At least not all of us yet.
  - ryandrake 1y ago
    Well, ya got me. You managed to find the one rare manager who either 1. cannot recognize a clear nazi salute, or 2. considers it to be acceptable behavior. I guess I'm wrong.
  - Wytwwww 1y ago
    > but if any of my 20 employees did the same You could all then march around the office or even out on the street with your hands raised. Surely nobody but snowflakes could be offended by that.
maweaver 1y ago
I literally saw it on video. I don't care who tells me it didn't happen, it very clearly did.
- cpursley 1y ago
  You saw what you wanted to see.
  - KingMob 1y ago
    Pffft. Nobody wanted to see that, but he did it anyway.
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      - Capricorn2481 1y ago
        > Taking a break from Reddit > Yes, seeing someone on the spectrum (who’s got no political gesture training) spaz out on stage is incredibly cringy Saying take a break from Reddit after posting the most Reddit ass comment I've ever seen.
viraptor 1y ago
Whether he's antisemitic or not doesn't change what happened / what it symbolises. We're now in a weird place where Netanyahu supporting him doesn't really make the situation any better. Jews were the convenient outgroup at the time, but don't have to be for Elon.
Wytwwww 1y ago
> he's a friend to the Jewish community So? Does that means nobody else is allowed to have an opinion about the salute that he made. Sure he's pro Israel, that's not uncommon at all amongst the far right these days. > who might have been offended by his gesture What about the people who seem to be highly offended by people who have been offended by his gesture. What do you call them?
- ribelo 1y ago
  Everyone should be free to have whatever opinion they like, or at least, they ought to be. The difference is this, some try to impose their opinions on society, while the rest couldn’t care less and refuse to lose sleep over it. The ability to mind our own business is a virtue, a real one. The world went downhill the moment people started obsessing over others instead of focusing on themselves. And anyone who truly cares about society’s well-being should stop meddling.
  - Wytwwww 1y ago
    > The difference is this, some try to impose their opinions on society So literally Musk and his pals? > society’s well-being should stop meddling. So again, Musk et al.? I'm really confused... what are you trying to say. That only some people are allowed to meddle while everyone else should shut up and mind their own business? How do you determine that? Wealth? Political opinions? Class? Race?
  - squigz 1y ago
    > The world went downhill the moment people started obsessing over others instead of focusing on themselves. Gosh yeah, all that... getting rid of slavery, and women's rights, and disability support and awareness... Truly, the world is far better off!
  - KingMob 1y ago
    > The world went downhill the moment people started obsessing over others instead of focusing on themselves. And anyone who truly cares about society’s well-being should stop meddling. The problem is, meddling to interfere with others, and meddling to stop that interference, are not morally equivalent. If a serial killer is trying to strangle me, and I'm fighting back, you wouldn't deplore "the violence on both sides", would you?
saagarjha 1y ago
You can always pick and choose Jewish people who are friends to antisemites.

guywithahat 1y ago

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KingMob 1y ago
Lol. Did you even watch the video? Most politicians just lift their arms up and wave like ordinary people. Musk first placed his hand on his heart, and then extended out forcefully in a clear nazi salute.
wozer 1y ago
Calling the Nazis socialist is insidious and ahistorical. The Nazis murdered any socialists they could get their hands on.
- SV_BubbleTime 1y ago
  Right. I don’t know why people call nazis socialists just because they supported a state led by government, socialized government program take over like healthcare and education and production, and they have socialist in their name. I can see how it is easy to confuse by let’s be reasonable. The nazis could not have been socialist because that would mean a corruption one time of a system that is based on ideals.
- guywithahat 1y ago
  No they didn’t, they were the prevailing socialist party. They imprisoned party members who didn’t play ball with them but they were the socialist. How could you not know the Nazi’s were socialists? That was their whole thing, socialism would only work in a culturally/ethnically homogeneous society