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> It's straight dishonest to get hung up on some single incidences, which may, or may not have happened. I think we now agree that if such incidents did occur,
by randomtoast 1y ago
> It's straight dishonest to get hung up on some single incidences, which may, or may not have happened.
I think we now agree that if such incidents did occur, you acknowledge that charges could be pressed. However, I may not have made my point clearly enough. My intention was not to highlight random YouTuber incidents, but to draw attention to misconduct by officials in the course of their duties and our restrictions/regulations.
For example, just four days ago the headline read: "97 Bundeswehr soldiers dismissed for right-wing extremism." [1]
We could argue that the Bundeswehr is not law enforcement, but there have been similar right-wing issues within police departments, where officers have shared extremist content. What I want to emphasize is that this is not about single incidents, but about a growing systemic issue of misconduct in law enforcement. And those who could provide the strongest proof of such misconduct - through video evidence - (journalists) are often prohibited from doing so.
> Did those YouTubers press charges?
Imagine your word against two or more officers. Who will the judges believe? Most likely the officers, unless you have very strong proof, such as video evidence. I hope my point is clearer now: this is not about isolated incidents, but about a broader systemic problem, fueled by the growing popularity of right-wing views within law enforcement and our harsh restrictions and regulations, which are strictest in the free world. It is the combination of both which is dangerous.
[1]: https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/wdr/bundeswehr-rechtsextremismus-134.html https://www.tagesschau.de/investigativ/wdr/bundeswehr-rechts...
- jijijijij 1y ago> I think we now agree that if such incidents did occur, you acknowledge that charges could be pressed. Why worry about hypotheticals? Lol. I mean yeah, all very concerning, but you are shifting the narrative, moving the goalpost a lot, now. It's frustrating and doesn't paint you as someone interested in honest exploration of a topic. Quite frankly, that's the only point made clear.
- randomtoast 1y agoI mean, you can have your own opinion on whether I shift the narrative or move the goalpost, and that is fair enough. But if you scroll all the way up to my first comment I said: > In Germany, you are generally not allowed to film law enforcement. If someone feels they have been treated "unfairly", good luck to prove that in court when two officers present a completely different version of event ... And in my last comment about the matter I said: > Imagine your word against two or more officers. Who will the judges believe? Most likely the officers, unless you have very strong proof, such as video evidence. I hope my point is clearer now ... I would say this pretty much matches very well, YMMV