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Yes, being anti-nazi, what a... virtue? I guess?

by const_cast 1y ago

jjangkke 1y ago
Elon Musk is not a nazi.
- Revisional_Sin 1y ago
  Then why did he publicly do a Nazi salute?
  - jjangkke 1y ago
    He did not do a Nazi salute because otherwise ADL would've been all over him. ADL came out saying he didn't do a Nazi salute.
    - iamdelirium 1y ago
      The ADL is not the final arbitrator of what is a Nazi salute and what isn't.
    - Revisional_Sin 1y ago
      And they were criticised for this by many other Jewish organisations.
    - KingMob 1y ago
      The ADL's morally bankrupt calculus is that they value support for Israel more, so they covered for Musk as long as he supports Israel. Which sadly, makes the rest of us less safe.
- jameshart 1y ago
  While this point might be open to debate, the original claim, which I definitely stand by, was not that Musk is a Nazi, but rather that xAI have put out a product under the grok brand which manifestly promoted nazi ideas. If Musk is not in favor of those ideas he might need to work a bit harder to make that clear, because he does tend to leave people with the impression he’s okay with it.
  - jjangkke 1y ago
    A prompt was edited by an xAI staff that caused xAI to ignore the politically correct filter, how is Elon Musk responsible for this ?
    - lovich 1y ago
      Isn’t he the CEO and owner? I thought their massive wealth and control was morally ok because they carried the responsibility for the companies actions at the end of the day. Guess you can have the power and no responsibility! Always someone else’s fault!
    - sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
      He's the CEO, and there's now been a few "oh geez some rogue employee made grok say white supremacist stuff, we totally didn't mean for it to say that!" moments. If the management isn't fixing the problems that led to those events, the management is responsible.
- const_cast 1y ago
  He's not very good at demonstrating that. I don't know man. For like... the other 7 billion people on Earth it seems preeeetty easy for them not to be confused with a Nazi. Seems to me just Elon has that issue. I've never had that issue. I don't know anyone who's has that issue. So, it makes you wonder.
  - andriesm 1y ago
    Elon desperately convincing everyone he is not a Nazi, is like being asked to answer the question "Why do you beat your wife every day? " And then you trying to explain that "no it's not every day, in fact it is never." And then public opinion be like "He doth protest too much"
    - const_cast 1y ago
      Nobody else needs to convince people they're not a Nazi. I certainly don't. We can pretend to look the other way all day, or we can take some accountability. Apologizing isn't hard. It would be very easy for him to make this all disappear. But he won't do it. Maybe it's pride, maybe he's just stupid, I don't know.
holoduke 1y ago
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Yes, being anti-nazi, what a... virtue? I guess?

jjangkke 1y ago

Elon Musk is not a nazi.

Revisional_Sin 1y ago
Then why did he publicly do a Nazi salute?
- jjangkke 1y ago
  He did not do a Nazi salute because otherwise ADL would've been all over him. ADL came out saying he didn't do a Nazi salute.
  - iamdelirium 1y ago
    The ADL is not the final arbitrator of what is a Nazi salute and what isn't.
  - Revisional_Sin 1y ago
    And they were criticised for this by many other Jewish organisations.
  - KingMob 1y ago
    The ADL's morally bankrupt calculus is that they value support for Israel more, so they covered for Musk as long as he supports Israel. Which sadly, makes the rest of us less safe.
jameshart 1y ago
While this point might be open to debate, the original claim, which I definitely stand by, was not that Musk is a Nazi, but rather that xAI have put out a product under the grok brand which manifestly promoted nazi ideas. If Musk is not in favor of those ideas he might need to work a bit harder to make that clear, because he does tend to leave people with the impression he’s okay with it.
- jjangkke 1y ago
  A prompt was edited by an xAI staff that caused xAI to ignore the politically correct filter, how is Elon Musk responsible for this ?
  - lovich 1y ago
    Isn’t he the CEO and owner? I thought their massive wealth and control was morally ok because they carried the responsibility for the companies actions at the end of the day. Guess you can have the power and no responsibility! Always someone else’s fault!
  - sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
    He's the CEO, and there's now been a few "oh geez some rogue employee made grok say white supremacist stuff, we totally didn't mean for it to say that!" moments. If the management isn't fixing the problems that led to those events, the management is responsible.
const_cast 1y ago
He's not very good at demonstrating that. I don't know man. For like... the other 7 billion people on Earth it seems preeeetty easy for them not to be confused with a Nazi. Seems to me just Elon has that issue. I've never had that issue. I don't know anyone who's has that issue. So, it makes you wonder.
- andriesm 1y ago
  Elon desperately convincing everyone he is not a Nazi, is like being asked to answer the question "Why do you beat your wife every day? " And then you trying to explain that "no it's not every day, in fact it is never." And then public opinion be like "He doth protest too much"
  - const_cast 1y ago
    Nobody else needs to convince people they're not a Nazi. I certainly don't. We can pretend to look the other way all day, or we can take some accountability. Apologizing isn't hard. It would be very easy for him to make this all disappear. But he won't do it. Maybe it's pride, maybe he's just stupid, I don't know.

holoduke 1y ago

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