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>SeedBox Lite is an open-source project provided for educational and personal use only. We do not endorse, promote, or facilitate copyright infringement, illega

by slg 1y ago

>SeedBox Lite is an open-source project provided for educational and personal use only. We do not endorse, promote, or facilitate copyright infringement, illegal streaming, or piracy in any form. This software is designed to be used with legal content only. I always find legal disclaimers like this funny. It's like kindergarteners giving each other cootie shots. Just some magic words said out of some combination of tradition and hope that they might have some actual protective qualities. "Who cares if the words are objectively untrue? We have plausible deniability now that we said them!"

mystifyingpoi 1y ago
This is beautiful and hillarious. A disclaimer at the very bottom of the page who no one will ever notice. A huge colorful screenshot of the newest Marvel movie at the very top of the page everyone will see immediately. Great.
- NotPractical 1y ago
  They've literally censored the pirated filename and the torrent hash. Begging to be sued. I'm starting to regret supporting software freedom. /s
Dinux 1y ago
While showing an image of Disney IP
gouggoug 1y ago
> "Who cares if the words are objectively untrue? We have plausible deniability now that we said them!" But they are not "objectively untrue". You can argue all day long that you don't believe the author are being truthful, it doesn't make it true. edit: that being said, in juxtaposition with a copyrighted Marvel image, I could see it being used in court against the author to prove they were all along catering to piracy. edit2: clearly, I'm not a lawyer
- slg 1y ago
  I’m sorry but it is objectively untrue that this software does not “facilitate copyright infringement, illegal streaming, or piracy in any form”. What is the purpose of this project if it is not to “facilitate” watching torrented material?
  - gouggoug 1y ago
    Torrented material is not necessarily copyrighted material. It's not unlawful to use bittorent.
    - slg 1y ago
      This is more plausible deniability talk. No one has suggested that all torrent use is illegal. But this software absolutely “facilitates” illegal use cases. A gun can be used legally, it would still be ludicrous to say that guns never “facilitate” murder.
      - gouggoug 1y ago
        I think it's fair to say that the software itself could/does facilitate illegal uses cases. But with that line of argumentation, then all software facilitates illegal use-cases just by existing. The statement "We do not endorse, promote, or facilitate copyright infringement, illegal streaming, or piracy in any form", might be poorly written with regards to the fact that just by existing this torrent streaming program _does_ facilitate piracy, but I don't think this was your original argument.
        slg 1y ago
        > I don't think this was your original argument. I’ll be honest, I really don’t know what argument you think I’m making or that you yourself are making. The truth here is that this software will overwhelmingly be used in an illegal manner. The creators knew that when they wrote that disclaimer and we all know that reading the disclaimer. Yet the disclaimer is still placed there like it has some reason for existing beyond allowing everyone to pretend something that is happening isn’t happening. Your comments here seem to just be continuing that charade. I’m not even condemning this software or illegally pirating movies and TV shows. I’m just remarking on the silliness of the disclaimer.
tshaddox 1y ago
Wait until you see the terms of service documents your corporate lawyer will tell you that you need in the footer of your website.
littlestymaar 1y ago
I have the exact same reaction when I read about “licenses” attached to LLM weights, especially the “you can't use that in the EU” as if it sufficed to comply with European regulations.
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago
You know.. if a major corp can you use disclaimers that are objectively untrue and wink their way out of any responsibility, I see no reason why the little guys can't either. We might as well apply rules uniformly.

by slg 1y ago

mystifyingpoi 1y ago

This is beautiful and hillarious. A disclaimer at the very bottom of the page who no one will ever notice. A huge colorful screenshot of the newest Marvel movie at the very top of the page everyone will see immediately. Great.

NotPractical 1y ago
They've literally censored the pirated filename and the torrent hash. Begging to be sued. I'm starting to regret supporting software freedom. /s

Dinux 1y ago

While showing an image of Disney IP

gouggoug 1y ago

> "Who cares if the words are objectively untrue? We have plausible deniability now that we said them!" But they are not "objectively untrue". You can argue all day long that you don't believe the author are being truthful, it doesn't make it true. edit: that being said, in juxtaposition with a copyrighted Marvel image, I could see it being used in court against the author to prove they were all along catering to piracy. edit2: clearly, I'm not a lawyer

slg 1y ago
I’m sorry but it is objectively untrue that this software does not “facilitate copyright infringement, illegal streaming, or piracy in any form”. What is the purpose of this project if it is not to “facilitate” watching torrented material?
- gouggoug 1y ago
  Torrented material is not necessarily copyrighted material. It's not unlawful to use bittorent.
  - slg 1y ago
    This is more plausible deniability talk. No one has suggested that all torrent use is illegal. But this software absolutely “facilitates” illegal use cases. A gun can be used legally, it would still be ludicrous to say that guns never “facilitate” murder.
    - gouggoug 1y ago
      I think it's fair to say that the software itself could/does facilitate illegal uses cases. But with that line of argumentation, then all software facilitates illegal use-cases just by existing. The statement "We do not endorse, promote, or facilitate copyright infringement, illegal streaming, or piracy in any form", might be poorly written with regards to the fact that just by existing this torrent streaming program _does_ facilitate piracy, but I don't think this was your original argument.
      - slg 1y ago
        > I don't think this was your original argument. I’ll be honest, I really don’t know what argument you think I’m making or that you yourself are making. The truth here is that this software will overwhelmingly be used in an illegal manner. The creators knew that when they wrote that disclaimer and we all know that reading the disclaimer. Yet the disclaimer is still placed there like it has some reason for existing beyond allowing everyone to pretend something that is happening isn’t happening. Your comments here seem to just be continuing that charade. I’m not even condemning this software or illegally pirating movies and TV shows. I’m just remarking on the silliness of the disclaimer.

tshaddox 1y ago

Wait until you see the terms of service documents your corporate lawyer will tell you that you need in the footer of your website.

littlestymaar 1y ago

I have the exact same reaction when I read about “licenses” attached to LLM weights, especially the “you can't use that in the EU” as if it sufficed to comply with European regulations.

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 1y ago

You know.. if a major corp can you use disclaimers that are objectively untrue and wink their way out of any responsibility, I see no reason why the little guys can't either. We might as well apply rules uniformly.