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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44463813 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44463813 > It's genuinely crazy how much better value an N100 is and how muc

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44463813 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44463813 > It's genuinely crazy how much better value an N100 is and how much better it works out of the box than a Pi for anything.. that doesn't need to talk to electronics/GPIO.. Low cost x86_64 solutions beat the pants off ARM in the PPPITA (performance per pain in the arse) department. The Raspberry Pi software ecosystem advantage nopes the moment x86 shows up to the party. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44465319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44465319 > Intel N150 is the first consumer Atom CPU (in 15 years!) to include TXT/DRTM for measured system launch with owner-managed keys. At every system boot, this can confirm that immutable components (anything from BIOS+config to the kernel to immutable partitions) have the expected binary hash/tree.

baq 1y ago
I completely agree, got an N100 minipc server at home myself which replaced an rpi 4. Fantastic value. My point is Intel's accountants have a history of seeing 'fantastic value' as 'margins too low', which reduces the margin of error in engineering to ~0.
- transpute 1y ago
  N100/N150 (unintentionally?) fueled a Cambrian explosion in mini PCs. It needs a few more years of OEM experimentation with form factors and ISV software stacks to identify new vertical markets, before trying to harvest high margin segments. It's too early and too successful to abandon the category now. If they must have a $300 price point, offer one with many E-cores and zero P-cores. I wonder how long Twin Lake N150 will be sold, if there is no successor, https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/241636/intel-processor-n150-6m-cache-up-to-3-60-ghz/specifications.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/241636/...
  - adgjlsfhk1 1y ago
    it is a part that you really wouldn't want to make if you could avoid it. given the ~120 pricepoint for a whole system the CPU is probably only ~$30. I'm glad it exists, but it's hard to imagine they're making money on it
    - transpute 1y ago
      A lower binned part could be profitable, https://www.howtogeek.com/705101/what-is-binning-for-computer-components/ https://www.howtogeek.com/705101/what-is-binning-for-compute...

baq 1y ago

I completely agree, got an N100 minipc server at home myself which replaced an rpi 4. Fantastic value. My point is Intel's accountants have a history of seeing 'fantastic value' as 'margins too low', which reduces the margin of error in engineering to ~0.

transpute 1y ago
N100/N150 (unintentionally?) fueled a Cambrian explosion in mini PCs. It needs a few more years of OEM experimentation with form factors and ISV software stacks to identify new vertical markets, before trying to harvest high margin segments. It's too early and too successful to abandon the category now. If they must have a $300 price point, offer one with many E-cores and zero P-cores. I wonder how long Twin Lake N150 will be sold, if there is no successor, https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/241636/intel-processor-n150-6m-cache-up-to-3-60-ghz/specifications.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/241636/...
- adgjlsfhk1 1y ago
  it is a part that you really wouldn't want to make if you could avoid it. given the ~120 pricepoint for a whole system the CPU is probably only ~$30. I'm glad it exists, but it's hard to imagine they're making money on it
  - transpute 1y ago
    A lower binned part could be profitable, https://www.howtogeek.com/705101/what-is-binning-for-computer-components/ https://www.howtogeek.com/705101/what-is-binning-for-compute...