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> rumors are that there will be no true successor for N150 N100/N150 reinvigorated the x86 ecosystem with price/perf of Arm plus compatibility with existing so

> rumors are that there will be no true successor for N150 N100/N150 reinvigorated the x86 ecosystem with price/perf of Arm plus compatibility with existing software. > Wildcat Lake will be .. closer in price to $300 That price and P-core power budget would compete with compatible x86 AMD Ryzen instead of incompatible Arm/RISC-V boards. Why would Intel surrender a long-sought advantage over Arm, after they finally succeeded with capable E-cores?

baq 1y ago
Intel needs to stop being run by accountants, otherwise accountants will be the ones turning off the lights one last time, and soon...
- transpute 1y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44463813 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44463813 > It's genuinely crazy how much better value an N100 is and how much better it works out of the box than a Pi for anything.. that doesn't need to talk to electronics/GPIO.. Low cost x86_64 solutions beat the pants off ARM in the PPPITA (performance per pain in the arse) department. The Raspberry Pi software ecosystem advantage nopes the moment x86 shows up to the party. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44465319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44465319 > Intel N150 is the first consumer Atom CPU (in 15 years!) to include TXT/DRTM for measured system launch with owner-managed keys. At every system boot, this can confirm that immutable components (anything from BIOS+config to the kernel to immutable partitions) have the expected binary hash/tree.
  - baq 1y ago
    I completely agree, got an N100 minipc server at home myself which replaced an rpi 4. Fantastic value. My point is Intel's accountants have a history of seeing 'fantastic value' as 'margins too low', which reduces the margin of error in engineering to ~0.
    - transpute 1y ago
      N100/N150 (unintentionally?) fueled a Cambrian explosion in mini PCs. It needs a few more years of OEM experimentation with form factors and ISV software stacks to identify new vertical markets, before trying to harvest high margin segments. It's too early and too successful to abandon the category now. If they must have a $300 price point, offer one with many E-cores and zero P-cores. I wonder how long Twin Lake N150 will be sold, if there is no successor, https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/241636/intel-processor-n150-6m-cache-up-to-3-60-ghz/specifications.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/241636/...
      - adgjlsfhk1 1y ago
        it is a part that you really wouldn't want to make if you could avoid it. given the ~120 pricepoint for a whole system the CPU is probably only ~$30. I'm glad it exists, but it's hard to imagine they're making money on it
        transpute 1y ago
        A lower binned part could be profitable, https://www.howtogeek.com/705101/what-is-binning-for-computer-components/ https://www.howtogeek.com/705101/what-is-binning-for-compute...

baq 1y ago

Intel needs to stop being run by accountants, otherwise accountants will be the ones turning off the lights one last time, and soon...

transpute 1y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44463813 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44463813 > It's genuinely crazy how much better value an N100 is and how much better it works out of the box than a Pi for anything.. that doesn't need to talk to electronics/GPIO.. Low cost x86_64 solutions beat the pants off ARM in the PPPITA (performance per pain in the arse) department. The Raspberry Pi software ecosystem advantage nopes the moment x86 shows up to the party. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44465319 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44465319 > Intel N150 is the first consumer Atom CPU (in 15 years!) to include TXT/DRTM for measured system launch with owner-managed keys. At every system boot, this can confirm that immutable components (anything from BIOS+config to the kernel to immutable partitions) have the expected binary hash/tree.
- baq 1y ago
  I completely agree, got an N100 minipc server at home myself which replaced an rpi 4. Fantastic value. My point is Intel's accountants have a history of seeing 'fantastic value' as 'margins too low', which reduces the margin of error in engineering to ~0.
  - transpute 1y ago
    N100/N150 (unintentionally?) fueled a Cambrian explosion in mini PCs. It needs a few more years of OEM experimentation with form factors and ISV software stacks to identify new vertical markets, before trying to harvest high margin segments. It's too early and too successful to abandon the category now. If they must have a $300 price point, offer one with many E-cores and zero P-cores. I wonder how long Twin Lake N150 will be sold, if there is no successor, https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/241636/intel-processor-n150-6m-cache-up-to-3-60-ghz/specifications.html https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/241636/...
    - adgjlsfhk1 1y ago
      it is a part that you really wouldn't want to make if you could avoid it. given the ~120 pricepoint for a whole system the CPU is probably only ~$30. I'm glad it exists, but it's hard to imagine they're making money on it
      - transpute 1y ago
        A lower binned part could be profitable, https://www.howtogeek.com/705101/what-is-binning-for-computer-components/ https://www.howtogeek.com/705101/what-is-binning-for-compute...