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I put it to you - consider that you maybe wrong. That I indeed know what's best for me. The same way my default is that you know what's best for you. "Critical

I put it to you - consider that you maybe wrong. That I indeed know what's best for me. The same way my default is that you know what's best for you. "Critical thinking" and "indoctrination" - you are on path to the dark side there. I grew up in a socialist/communist country. One of the ways in which vast majority of the population were oppressed, mis-treated etc or worse, was by them being denied agency and capability for critical thinking, for recognising their own interests, by a mechanism called "false consciousness". The ideas you expressed in your comment are of similar kind.

soraminazuki 1y ago
Says the person advocating for companies to get rid of consent, the bare minimum they can do when screwing over people for profit. That's not deciding what's best for you. That's you unilaterally deciding that no one deserves consumer protection. You are trying to force on everyone what 96% of people are opposed to [1]. So don't you dare pull off that DARVO nonsense and accuse me of being an oppressive dictator. Also in what universe are utter fantasies like "'no one wants to share their data' is just assumed" or "the defaults are always 'deny everything'" true? Tech companies are bypassing user consent all [2] the [3] time [4]. [1]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/96-of-us-users-opt-out-of-app-tracking-in-ios-14-5-analytics-find/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/96-of-us-users-opt-o... [2]: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=opt%20out https://hn.algolia.com/?q=opt%20out [3]: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=opt%20in https://hn.algolia.com/?q=opt%20in [4]: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=consent https://hn.algolia.com/?q=consent
- ljosifov 1y ago
  I see reading comprehension is not something you enjoy to indulge with. These - > utter fantasies like "'no one wants to share their data' is just assumed" or "the defaults are always 'deny everything'" true? ...far from being fantasies, are my personal experiences in the UK medical systems. This - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45066321 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45066321
  - soraminazuki 1y ago
    See, this is what I meant by indoctrination. I showed you links containing dozens, maybe even hundreds of examples showing how companies don't obtain consent from users. But you ignore all that and cherry pick your highly exaggerated spin on the UK medical system. "I'm reasonably sure some people will have died because of this." Sigh, give me a break. Your take on privacy sounds just like the auto industry's take on right to repair. According to them, right to repair laws will get women raped in parking lots [1]. Corporate activists making absurd claims resorting to the same old fearmongering tactics. This isn't me having problems with reading comprehension. It's you arguing in bad faith. Which is inevitable given your desire to demolish consumer protection for everyone. You're defending the indefensible. [1]: https://www.vice.com/en/article/auto-industry-tv-ads-claim-right-to-repair-benefits-sexual-predators/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/auto-industry-tv-ads-claim-r...
    - ljosifov 1y ago
      I know indoctrination well. Reading what you write - I get the impression that you don't know much about indoctrination. But I don't know you, so I allow it that I maybe wrong. You asked "in what universe". I showed you concrete examples in one universe. For my claim to be true, one example suffices. None of your claims (latest "demolish customer protection") about my alleged intentions, character, thoughts, etc - have any basis in reality. You are wrong in almost everything that you wrote about me. It's all in your head, in your imagination. How do I know? B/c I know me, and you don't know me. That easy.
      - soraminazuki 1y ago
        > Excellent. What were they waiting for up to now?? I thought they already trained on my data. I assume they train, even hope that they train, even when they say they don't. These are your exact words, not my imagination. You very clearly want consumer protection to be gone, because you said so. > For my claim to be true, one example suffices. To be clear, your claim is that we live in a world where there's too much privacy protection. So much in fact that you're, gasp, "reasonably sure some people will have died because of this." Nope, a single spin on the UK medical system is nowhere near as sufficient for that absurd claim. As for your attempted word lawyering about indoctrination? Classic.

soraminazuki 1y ago

Says the person advocating for companies to get rid of consent, the bare minimum they can do when screwing over people for profit. That's not deciding what's best for you. That's you unilaterally deciding that no one deserves consumer protection. You are trying to force on everyone what 96% of people are opposed to [1]. So don't you dare pull off that DARVO nonsense and accuse me of being an oppressive dictator. Also in what universe are utter fantasies like "'no one wants to share their data' is just assumed" or "the defaults are always 'deny everything'" true? Tech companies are bypassing user consent all [2] the [3] time [4]. [1]: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/96-of-us-users-opt-out-of-app-tracking-in-ios-14-5-analytics-find/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/96-of-us-users-opt-o... [2]: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=opt%20out https://hn.algolia.com/?q=opt%20out [3]: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=opt%20in https://hn.algolia.com/?q=opt%20in [4]: https://hn.algolia.com/?q=consent https://hn.algolia.com/?q=consent

ljosifov 1y ago
I see reading comprehension is not something you enjoy to indulge with. These - > utter fantasies like "'no one wants to share their data' is just assumed" or "the defaults are always 'deny everything'" true? ...far from being fantasies, are my personal experiences in the UK medical systems. This - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45066321 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45066321
- soraminazuki 1y ago
  See, this is what I meant by indoctrination. I showed you links containing dozens, maybe even hundreds of examples showing how companies don't obtain consent from users. But you ignore all that and cherry pick your highly exaggerated spin on the UK medical system. "I'm reasonably sure some people will have died because of this." Sigh, give me a break. Your take on privacy sounds just like the auto industry's take on right to repair. According to them, right to repair laws will get women raped in parking lots [1]. Corporate activists making absurd claims resorting to the same old fearmongering tactics. This isn't me having problems with reading comprehension. It's you arguing in bad faith. Which is inevitable given your desire to demolish consumer protection for everyone. You're defending the indefensible. [1]: https://www.vice.com/en/article/auto-industry-tv-ads-claim-right-to-repair-benefits-sexual-predators/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/auto-industry-tv-ads-claim-r...
  - ljosifov 1y ago
    I know indoctrination well. Reading what you write - I get the impression that you don't know much about indoctrination. But I don't know you, so I allow it that I maybe wrong. You asked "in what universe". I showed you concrete examples in one universe. For my claim to be true, one example suffices. None of your claims (latest "demolish customer protection") about my alleged intentions, character, thoughts, etc - have any basis in reality. You are wrong in almost everything that you wrote about me. It's all in your head, in your imagination. How do I know? B/c I know me, and you don't know me. That easy.
    - soraminazuki 1y ago
      > Excellent. What were they waiting for up to now?? I thought they already trained on my data. I assume they train, even hope that they train, even when they say they don't. These are your exact words, not my imagination. You very clearly want consumer protection to be gone, because you said so. > For my claim to be true, one example suffices. To be clear, your claim is that we live in a world where there's too much privacy protection. So much in fact that you're, gasp, "reasonably sure some people will have died because of this." Nope, a single spin on the UK medical system is nowhere near as sufficient for that absurd claim. As for your attempted word lawyering about indoctrination? Classic.