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Bullet volume is very important for suppression. Although the role of suppression usually is filled by a SAW rather than a MP.

dylan604 1y ago
So once again, what would be the point for an auto handgun? You just said it's the wrong weapon for suppression. A 17 round mag fired in single rounds in quick succession would keep an opposing foe's head down longer than a 17 round mag in auto fire single trigger pull. Even pulling double tap style firing requires training/practice to keep both bullets accurate or else even that's wasteful
- bombcar 1y ago
  Full-auto anything that isn’t a chaingun is basically a meme anyway, even for rifles and friends. What is NOT a meme, and is useful, but counts as fully automatic, is three or five round burst mode.
  - lupusreal 1y ago
    I don't think you even know what a "chain gun" is. Where did you get this information from, reddit and video games? Chainguns are a type of autocannon. Heavy, light and general purpose machine guns, like the M2 Browning, M249 SAW, Maxim, Been Gun, MG3, etc... none of these are chain guns. They aren't even all belt fed, which I guess is what you meant to say because I think that's the videogame midwit lingo. They are nonetheless universally accepted as being very valuable in combat.
    - dragonwriter 1y ago
      > Chainguns are a type of autocannon. AIUI, chainguns are any externally electrically-actuated automatic weapons, including both single-barrelled and rotary designs, some of which are autocannons, and some of which are lighter (machine guns). But, yeah, it makes more sense if GP intended to refer to belt-fed weapons, not actual chainguns.
  - int_19h 1y ago
    Most gun designs that included N-round burst have eventually abandoned it because full auto with operator in control of burst length turns out to be superior, while at the same time the mechanism needed to force the burst is an extra point of failure and negatively affects trigger pull . Most recently, it was Russia dropping 2-round burst on AK-12 after experience with it in Ukraine. M4 is another famous historical example.

dylan604 1y ago

So once again, what would be the point for an auto handgun? You just said it's the wrong weapon for suppression. A 17 round mag fired in single rounds in quick succession would keep an opposing foe's head down longer than a 17 round mag in auto fire single trigger pull. Even pulling double tap style firing requires training/practice to keep both bullets accurate or else even that's wasteful

bombcar 1y ago
Full-auto anything that isn’t a chaingun is basically a meme anyway, even for rifles and friends. What is NOT a meme, and is useful, but counts as fully automatic, is three or five round burst mode.
- lupusreal 1y ago
  I don't think you even know what a "chain gun" is. Where did you get this information from, reddit and video games? Chainguns are a type of autocannon. Heavy, light and general purpose machine guns, like the M2 Browning, M249 SAW, Maxim, Been Gun, MG3, etc... none of these are chain guns. They aren't even all belt fed, which I guess is what you meant to say because I think that's the videogame midwit lingo. They are nonetheless universally accepted as being very valuable in combat.
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    > Chainguns are a type of autocannon. AIUI, chainguns are any externally electrically-actuated automatic weapons, including both single-barrelled and rotary designs, some of which are autocannons, and some of which are lighter (machine guns). But, yeah, it makes more sense if GP intended to refer to belt-fed weapons, not actual chainguns.
- int_19h 1y ago
  Most gun designs that included N-round burst have eventually abandoned it because full auto with operator in control of burst length turns out to be superior, while at the same time the mechanism needed to force the burst is an extra point of failure and negatively affects trigger pull . Most recently, it was Russia dropping 2-round burst on AK-12 after experience with it in Ukraine. M4 is another famous historical example.