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>> Tesla has sole access to the data All vehicle manufacturers have sole access to data. There isn't a standard for logging data, nor a standard for retrieving
by phkahler 1y ago
>> Tesla has sole access to the data
All vehicle manufacturers have sole access to data. There isn't a standard for logging data, nor a standard for retrieving it. Some components log data and it only the supplier has the means to read and interpret it.
- __alexs 1y agoThere is a world of difference between "you need our special hardware and software to read the data" and "we deleted it lol".
- dghlsakjg 1y agoMostly incorrect. At least for the US. If your car has an EDR, what data it collects is legislated. There is not a standard interface for retrieving it, but the manufacturer is required to ensure that there is a commercially available tool for data retrieval that any third party can use. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-V/part-563 https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-V/p...
- onlyrealcuzzo 1y agoDoes it legislate that you can't "accidentally" delete all incriminating data?
- dghlsakjg 1y agoDepends on the severity of the crash. If it meets certain thresh-holds (air bag deployment) the recording memory must be permanently locked in the onboard recorder.
- onlyrealcuzzo 1y agoIs the penalty for "oops, we had a bug, and it's gone," similar to the >$100M penalty they got? If not, I assume they'll keep losing all incriminating data.
- sidewndr46 1y agoIt looks like this covers "and an unloaded vehicle weight of 2,495 kg (5,500 pounds) or less". From what I understand even my F-150 wouldn't fall under this legislation
- jayd16 1y agoMight not cover large trucks but most sedans are under that. Is this one of those "that's why big cars are cheaper to make" situations?
- dghlsakjg 1y agoNo. The EDR is optional. If the manufacturer chooses to install it, it must meet those standards. I was just refuting the GPs assertion that they are all proprietary and that only the manufacturer can access the data.
- Aurornis 1y agoUnloaded vehicle weight, not gross vehicle weight. From a quick search, it's technically possible to configure some model year F-150s to have a curb weight over 5,500 pounds with all the right options, but most are lower.
- briffle 1y agoA Rivian R1s is about 6800 pounds because of its batteries..
- dghlsakjg 1y agoThere are other regulations for larger and commercial vehicles. Not sure if there is a light truck ruleset. Also the rules I posted are only if the manufacturer chooses to equip a recorder. They can opt not to have one. The point I was making is that the GP was just saying shit that had no basis in fact.
- advisedwang 1y agoEh, there's a difference between sole custody (which is what Tesla has created) and sole knowledge/right to access the data.