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After reading the article, I am never buying a Tesla. Props to greenthehacker. may you sip Starbuck's venti-size hot chocolates for many years to come.

by throw7 1y ago

lexicality 1y ago
Were you considering buying one before today? I'm curious as to what's different about this autopilot death compared to all the other autopilot deaths that have happened previously. Personally for me it was when the guy in Florida got decapitated when his car drove under a semitruck that made me never want to get in one again.
- sneak 1y ago
  Autopilot is opt-in. You can drive it like any other car and never use autopilot.
  - lexicality 1y ago
    This is very true, but if you had to choose between two microwaves, one of which had a button that occasionally killed people and one which did not, which would you choose? Personally I would feel better buying a microwave that doesn't have the option to decapitate me, even if I would never press it.
    - whimsicalism 1y ago
      all cars have a button that occasionally kills people, it’s called the accelerator pedal
      - lexicality 1y ago
        I think you know that's a false equivalence, both because every control in a car has the possibility of killing you and also because every car has an accelerator pedal and I'm talking about an extra button.
        terminalshort 1y ago
        Well then to go back to your microwave analogy, it's really more like choosing between a microwave with 9 buttons that can occasionally kill you or one with 10 buttons that could occasionally kill you, and that sounds about the same to me.
        lexicality 1y ago
        Why pay for the extra button in that case?
    - MetaWhirledPeas 1y ago
      > one of which had a button that occasionally killed people and one which did not, which would you choose? Are you proposing that other cars' lane-keep software is better? I guess you're going to figure this out somehow before buying your next car?
      - lexicality 1y ago
        > Are you proposing that other cars' lane-keep software is better? I'm proposing that less technologically advanced and software focused cars are less likely to unexpectedly swerve into incoming traffic for sure > I guess you're going to figure this out somehow before buying your next car? Do you not do research and read reviews before making large possibly life-changing purchases?
        MetaWhirledPeas 1y ago
        > I'm proposing that less technologically advanced and software focused cars are less likely to unexpectedly swerve into incoming traffic for sure Lane-keeping is a pretty common feature in new cars these days. That is the 'technologically advanced' feature that we're talking about. You're going to avoid all of them?
        lexicality 1y ago
        That's strange, why are you talking about lane keeping? I said I don't want a car with self driving capabilities that kill you.
- throw7 1y ago
  I wasn't opposed to buying a tesla. In my situation, I don't have the ability to charge ev's conveniently, so I'm not in the market so to speak. Plus, I'm not interested at this time in the "autopilot" "AI" stuff; I believe drivers should be responsible all the time, until such time that full legal liability is put on the manufacturer. Don't get me wrong... I would love to call my car to come pick me up at the airport!
- terminalshort 1y ago
  I'm curious as to what's different about any of the autopilot deaths and the 40,000 non-autopilot car wreck deaths that happen every year in the US other than the fact that one is considered news and the other isn't. I'm also curious as to how this would ever affect anyone's decision to buy a Tesla given that use of autopilot / FSD is entirely optional.
  - lexicality 1y ago
    The difference is we expect people to be stupid, and we expect something called "full self driving" that's advertised as safer than humans to be safe and not decapitate the driver
SirHackalot 1y ago
So, Musk summoning the Luftwaffe like that didn’t dissuade you from buying one?
coolspot 1y ago
> may you sip Starbuck's venti-size hot chocolates for many years to come You’re basically wishing diabetes for him.

After reading the article, I am never buying a Tesla. Props to greenthehacker. may you sip Starbuck's venti-size hot chocolates for many years to come.

by throw7 1y ago

After reading the article, I am never buying a Tesla. Props to greenthehacker. may you sip Starbuck's venti-size hot chocolates for many years to come.

lexicality 1y ago

Were you considering buying one before today? I'm curious as to what's different about this autopilot death compared to all the other autopilot deaths that have happened previously. Personally for me it was when the guy in Florida got decapitated when his car drove under a semitruck that made me never want to get in one again.

sneak 1y ago
Autopilot is opt-in. You can drive it like any other car and never use autopilot.
- lexicality 1y ago
  This is very true, but if you had to choose between two microwaves, one of which had a button that occasionally killed people and one which did not, which would you choose? Personally I would feel better buying a microwave that doesn't have the option to decapitate me, even if I would never press it.
  - whimsicalism 1y ago
    all cars have a button that occasionally kills people, it’s called the accelerator pedal
    - lexicality 1y ago
      I think you know that's a false equivalence, both because every control in a car has the possibility of killing you and also because every car has an accelerator pedal and I'm talking about an extra button.
      - terminalshort 1y ago
        Well then to go back to your microwave analogy, it's really more like choosing between a microwave with 9 buttons that can occasionally kill you or one with 10 buttons that could occasionally kill you, and that sounds about the same to me.
        lexicality 1y ago
        Why pay for the extra button in that case?
  - MetaWhirledPeas 1y ago
    > one of which had a button that occasionally killed people and one which did not, which would you choose? Are you proposing that other cars' lane-keep software is better? I guess you're going to figure this out somehow before buying your next car?
    - lexicality 1y ago
      > Are you proposing that other cars' lane-keep software is better? I'm proposing that less technologically advanced and software focused cars are less likely to unexpectedly swerve into incoming traffic for sure > I guess you're going to figure this out somehow before buying your next car? Do you not do research and read reviews before making large possibly life-changing purchases?
      - MetaWhirledPeas 1y ago
        > I'm proposing that less technologically advanced and software focused cars are less likely to unexpectedly swerve into incoming traffic for sure Lane-keeping is a pretty common feature in new cars these days. That is the 'technologically advanced' feature that we're talking about. You're going to avoid all of them?
        lexicality 1y ago
        That's strange, why are you talking about lane keeping? I said I don't want a car with self driving capabilities that kill you.
throw7 1y ago
I wasn't opposed to buying a tesla. In my situation, I don't have the ability to charge ev's conveniently, so I'm not in the market so to speak. Plus, I'm not interested at this time in the "autopilot" "AI" stuff; I believe drivers should be responsible all the time, until such time that full legal liability is put on the manufacturer. Don't get me wrong... I would love to call my car to come pick me up at the airport!
terminalshort 1y ago
I'm curious as to what's different about any of the autopilot deaths and the 40,000 non-autopilot car wreck deaths that happen every year in the US other than the fact that one is considered news and the other isn't. I'm also curious as to how this would ever affect anyone's decision to buy a Tesla given that use of autopilot / FSD is entirely optional.
- lexicality 1y ago
  The difference is we expect people to be stupid, and we expect something called "full self driving" that's advertised as safer than humans to be safe and not decapitate the driver

SirHackalot 1y ago

So, Musk summoning the Luftwaffe like that didn’t dissuade you from buying one?

coolspot 1y ago

> may you sip Starbuck's venti-size hot chocolates for many years to come You’re basically wishing diabetes for him.