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Does any service in the world have a standard issue full auto handgun?
by dfc 1y ago
Does any service in the world have a standard issue full auto handgun?
- avidiax 1y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_pistol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machine_pistol There are many that have adopted machine pistols for various uses, particularly special forces, VIP protection, and for the roles currently filled by PDWs, which means that common troops sometimes were issued them.
- dylan604 1y agowhat would be the point other than to just waste bullets?
- TrippyAcidCats 1y agoBullet volume is very important for suppression. Although the role of suppression usually is filled by a SAW rather than a MP.
- dylan604 1y agoSo once again, what would be the point for an auto handgun? You just said it's the wrong weapon for suppression. A 17 round mag fired in single rounds in quick succession would keep an opposing foe's head down longer than a 17 round mag in auto fire single trigger pull. Even pulling double tap style firing requires training/practice to keep both bullets accurate or else even that's wasteful
- bombcar 1y agoFull-auto anything that isn’t a chaingun is basically a meme anyway, even for rifles and friends. What is NOT a meme, and is useful, but counts as fully automatic, is three or five round burst mode.
- lupusreal 1y agoI don't think you even know what a "chain gun" is. Where did you get this information from, reddit and video games? Chainguns are a type of autocannon. Heavy, light and general purpose machine guns, like the M2 Browning, M249 SAW, Maxim, Been Gun, MG3, etc... none of these are chain guns. They aren't even all belt fed, which I guess is what you meant to say because I think that's the videogame midwit lingo. They are nonetheless universally accepted as being very valuable in combat.
- dragonwriter 1y ago> Chainguns are a type of autocannon. AIUI, chainguns are any externally electrically-actuated automatic weapons, including both single-barrelled and rotary designs, some of which are autocannons, and some of which are lighter (machine guns). But, yeah, it makes more sense if GP intended to refer to belt-fed weapons, not actual chainguns.
- int_19h 1y agoMost gun designs that included N-round burst have eventually abandoned it because full auto with operator in control of burst length turns out to be superior, while at the same time the mechanism needed to force the burst is an extra point of failure and negatively affects trigger pull . Most recently, it was Russia dropping 2-round burst on AK-12 after experience with it in Ukraine. M4 is another famous historical example.
- Zigurd 1y agoMachine pistols have been sold for the purpose of being personal protection weapons for people who would only be lightly trained on the use of a handgun. Spray and pray is all you're going to get out of the user anyway.
- someguydave 1y agoI could see that as being a useful role for a VIP protection team where you might not be able to carry larger guns for whatever reason but still want to designate some team members to suppress a potential attacker
- t-3 1y agoFull auto is just going to run through your ammo at the expense of accuracy, reliability, and maintenance time and costs. Nobody is going to be providing covering fire with a fully-auto machine pistol, the ammo capacity just isn't big enough (and then think about cooling and mechanism reliability when putting more than a dozen through a handgun). These things are for raids and assassinations, where collateral damage isn't a big deal but taking out the target is.
- lupusreal 1y agoThat's nice "just so" theory, but is contradicted by the reality that the US Secret Service has been known to use concealed Uzi's, and presumably similar compact full auto weapons, in bodyguard roles. someguydave is correct. Compact automatic weapons make sense for highly trained body guards protecting VIPs when discretion is considered important.
- int_19h 1y agoUzi is not a handgun however. Compact automatic weapons still usually have either a stock (even the smallest Uzis do), or some other way to stabilize the gun while firing - e.g. the sling is used for this purpose with some MP5K variants.
- t-3 1y agoYou can hit your monthly training quota way quicker.
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- bluedino 1y agoStandard issue, probably not. But in use? Maybe sorta The Glock 18 is a selective-fire variant of the Glock 17, developed at the request of the Austrian counter-terrorist unit EKO Cobra, and as a way to internally test Glock components under high strain conditions.
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- bob1029 1y agoSomething like an MP5 is going to be far more ergonomic in situations where one might find this kind of sidearm useful.
- dole 1y agoWould also be a lot cooler and reliable than putting anything more than two magazines through an 18C or 93R.
- SoftTalker 1y agoNot "standard issue" but a Glock with a switch is an example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_switch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_switch
- some_random 1y agoNo.
- int_19h 1y agoYes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stechkin_automatic_pistol https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stechkin_automatic_pistol. AFAIK only still used as a PDW by combat pilots, everybody else switched to AKS74U. Based on what I heard from people who had a chance to fire it, the full auto mode is basically pointless, so it just ends up being a larger and heavier PM (ironically, it found some use in that latter role because it also means less recoil).