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Data retention is legal's bread and butter. There's no chance such a decision is accidently made by reusing code. Anytime data is recorded legal is immediately

by cube00 1y ago

Data retention is legal's bread and butter. There's no chance such a decision is accidently made by reusing code. Anytime data is recorded legal is immediately asking about retention so they don't end up empty handed in front of a judge. Every byte that car records and how it is managed will be documented in excruciating detail by legal.

Someone 1y ago
> Data retention is legal's bread and butter. As is deleting data. Also, for, say, training data for Tesla’s software, I don’t see legal requirements for keeping it around, > There's no chance such a decision is accidently made by reusing code. At Tesla? I know about nothing about their software development practices, but from them, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if this were accidental. Edit: one scenario to easily introduce this bug is if the “delete data after upload” feature were added after the “on a crash, upload all data you have, in case the car burns down” feature.
- SoftTalker 1y ago
  Agreed. Tesla axed their marketing department, why assume they have much of a legal department overseeing how the data uploads are managed?
- Retric 1y ago
  > I don’t see legal requirements for keeping it around, If you selectively delete data, courts can assume that data is the worst possible thing for a court case against you.
mattmcknight 1y ago
> Anytime data is recorded legal is immediately asking about retention so they don't end up empty handed in front of a judge. In my experience, they are setting automated 90 deletion policies on email so they don't end up with surprises in discovery.
- Someone 1y ago
  Many large companies nowadays have 90 day deletion policies.
sidewndr46 1y ago
Not sure where you've worked by the "data retention policy" at places I worked made it abundantly clear that we were not to be retaining any data unless personally ordered to by a court. If a line manager, C-Level executive or board member requested me to retain data, I could refuse it under the policy. Like many things, the retention policy was actually a destruction policy

by cube00 1y ago

Someone 1y ago

> Data retention is legal's bread and butter. As is deleting data. Also, for, say, training data for Tesla’s software, I don’t see legal requirements for keeping it around, > There's no chance such a decision is accidently made by reusing code. At Tesla? I know about nothing about their software development practices, but from them, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if this were accidental. Edit: one scenario to easily introduce this bug is if the “delete data after upload” feature were added after the “on a crash, upload all data you have, in case the car burns down” feature.

SoftTalker 1y ago
Agreed. Tesla axed their marketing department, why assume they have much of a legal department overseeing how the data uploads are managed?
Retric 1y ago
> I don’t see legal requirements for keeping it around, If you selectively delete data, courts can assume that data is the worst possible thing for a court case against you.

mattmcknight 1y ago

> Anytime data is recorded legal is immediately asking about retention so they don't end up empty handed in front of a judge. In my experience, they are setting automated 90 deletion policies on email so they don't end up with surprises in discovery.

Someone 1y ago
Many large companies nowadays have 90 day deletion policies.

sidewndr46 1y ago

Not sure where you've worked by the "data retention policy" at places I worked made it abundantly clear that we were not to be retaining any data unless personally ordered to by a court. If a line manager, C-Level executive or board member requested me to retain data, I could refuse it under the policy. Like many things, the retention policy was actually a destruction policy